> >
> > AFAIK VQF is absolutely proprietary and owned by Yamaha. There is no
> > technical information available whatsoever. This renders VQF 
> > unusable for
> > development which manifests in no free third party players 
> > beeing available.
> 
> Yes, it is proprietary. AFAIK Yamaha don't really support it any more,
> because much of the technology it uses ended up in AAC, which is a better
> choice for low bitrate stuff anyway. (Public format AND better sound
> quality).
> 
> -- Mat.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nils Faerber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November 25, 1999 12:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [MP3 ENCODER] twinvq
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 02:05:23AM -0500, Ampex wrote:
> > this is a completely mp3 listserv, but in case any of you 
> > dont know about twinvq, its another natural audio codec with 
> > better frequency response than mp3 at the same bitrate. 
> > http://www.vqf.com, http://www.vqcentral.com, and channel 
> > #vqf on the DALnet IRC network (irc.dal.net), are good places 
> > to check it out.
>
> AFAIK VQF is absolutely proprietary and owned by Yamaha. There is no
> technical information available whatsoever. This renders VQF 
> unusable for
> development which manifests in no free third party players 
> beeing available.

Yes, it is proprietary. AFAIK Yamaha don't really support it any more,
because much of the technology it uses ended up in AAC, which is a better
choice for low bitrate stuff anyway. (Public format AND better sound
quality).

-- Mat.

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: Re: [MP3 ENCODER] twinvq</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; On Thu, Nov 25, 1999 at 02:05:23AM -0500, Ampex =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; this is a completely mp3 listserv, but in =
case any of you </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; dont know about twinvq, its another =
natural audio codec with </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; better frequency response than mp3 at the =
same bitrate. </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; <A HREF=3D"http://www.vqf.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.vqf.com</A>, <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.vqcentral.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.vqcentral.com</A>, and channel </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; #vqf on the DALnet IRC network =
(irc.dal.net), are good places </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; &gt; to check it out.</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; AFAIK VQF is absolutely proprietary and owned =
by Yamaha. There is no</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; technical information available whatsoever. =
This renders VQF </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; unusable for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; development which manifests in no free third =
party players </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; beeing available.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yes, it is proprietary. AFAIK Yamaha don't really =
support it any more, because much of the technology it uses ended up in =
AAC, which is a better choice for low bitrate stuff anyway. (Public =
format AND better sound quality).</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- Mat.</FONT>
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I dont know much about VQF, but I think AAC is more closely related
to MP3 technology: They changed the transform sizes and got rid of some junk
that MP3 inherited from layer 1 and 2, but it is basically encodes MDCT
coefficients with the MP3 critical band/scalefactor approach.

Mark

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