Mr. Chandler challenges information that has been known in the
transportation arena for decades. I-394 may be poorly designed, but there IS
no good design if highways are built as relief valves for freeway parking
lots.
Of course we've tried it here - and failed - as we always will when people
believe that adding lanes reduces congestion. It does not and never will.
Add a lane and it becomes as congested as the other.
Build it and they will come. Don't build it and alternative transit modes
will be used.
Why is it always the people on the right who want to enable more pollution,
more congestion, more cement, more clear-cutting of built homes, etc.? It
really is a curiousity.
--
Andy Driscoll
835 Linwood Avenue
St. Paul, MN 55105-3325
651-293-9039
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> From: "Richard Chandler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:23:57 -0600
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Mpls] 62/I-35W
>
> How do we know if traffic congestion isn't solved by building extra lanes?
> Has it ever been tried? I know it hasn't been tried here.
>
> Whoever designed the Hwy12 to Hwy 394 upgrade clearly didn't want it to
> succeed. It was really bad before the bottleneck at Penn Ave was removed,
> and it still has a serious bottleneck in both directions at the Hwy 100
> underpass when it goes down to two lanes. And whose idea was it to add a
> completely separate bridge for the insane lane? Is their brother in law in
> the cement business or what?
>
> Both Hwy 62 AND Hwy 394 have important junctions that go down to a single
> lane. Hwy 62 east to 35W north is one lane. Hwy 394 east to Hwy 49 east is
> one lane. Both of them are major jams every day. One lane...clearly these
> roads were built for something other than handling the existing capacity.
> Both of these have a parallel lane to ensure frustration by having
> opportunists run down to the end and then jump in.
>
> Some on this list view petroleum use in apocalyptic terms. But attempting
> to limit petroleum use by not building highways doesn't work - it just
> diverts the petroleum use to the burbs. So Minneapolis loses population and
> businesses while Eden Prairie and Minnetonka and Plymouth thrive.
>
> Rich Chandler - Ward 9
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carol Becker
>> Traffic congestion is never "solved" by building more highway lanes.
>> Latent demand is so great that any additional lanes will be full almost
>> immediately. Look at the upgrade of Highway 12 to 394 as a good local
>> example.
>>
>> Carol Becker - Longfellow
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Sheldon Mains
>> Last week we heard that parts of highway 62 will be closed for 2 to 4
>> years. I have some questions.
>>
>> What to the people in far south Minneapolis think of this?
>>
>> One reason given for the long time is that neither Minneapolis nor
>> Richfield agreed to any additional right-of-way. Would people trade more
>> highway right-of-way for a faster construction?
>>
>> Maybe this will actually improve traffic on 35W in the area--It will not
>> be getting additional traffic from 62.--Comments.
>>
>> What about the comments by some Republican Legislators that if that much
>> time is taken, when it is done it should "solve" the traffic problem
>> there. Is that reasonable?
>>
>> sheldon mains, seward neighborhood, minneapolis
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