Here goes, Got to point out the obvious sometimes.
Nathan starts his post with a rehashing of why 35/Cross-town are in the
shape they are.
Then possible solutions and why they are controversial, or expensive. He
then states " if highway projects to the outlying 'burbs were financed by
those 'burbs..."
1. The use of 'burbs. Cityspeak codeword for bad. If you don't live in the
suburbs your not allowed to comment. Just like suburbanites passing
judgement on urbanites.
2. Those suburbanites are exempt from the gas tax? license fees? NOT, so
they are paying for the highways. Hey, they pay for highway 35 and
Crosstown, even if they live in Chaska or Eden Prarie.
3. " don't need a 610-212" Well people in Chaska don't need a Mpls.
Convention Center. People in Anoka don't need a corrupt NRP. What a classic
piece of navel examination. I've got my roads, the rest of you can blow!
4. "housing developments that look like mushrooms.....ugly ugly..."
Reminds me of the Germans explaining to the Poles what was wrong with
Chopin's music. Or maybe those character building dilapidated stretches of
certain parts of MPLS are just glories to be duplicated all across the land.
Glass houses argument.
It is suburb bashing. If you don't believe it, your wrong. If you fail to
learn, you will pay the price.
Craig A. Miller
Rogers MN
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Former Fultonite, and Camdenite
PS Beware of people who use whole sentences in capital letters and demand
you explain your self while lacing there query's in pejorative phrases like
"knee jerk".
-----Original Message-----
From: David Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: craig miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Nathan Hunstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mpls list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis and the Crosstown
>Come on Craig. What is there in Nathan's post that is suburb bashing?
>Polemics and ideology in small doses are fun, but it seems to me your
>reaction is a knee-jerk ideological response. What are the facts that you
>are arguing? I'm reminded of a George Orwell quote which I can only
>paraphrase: BEWARE OF PEOPLE WHO THINK IN SLOGANS AND SPIT BULLETS.
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, craig miller wrote:
>
>> Nothing like some good suburb bashing. Nothing like telling the suburban
>> legislators what you think about them. It makes a jolly of a time when
the
>> city is before legislative committees controlled by suburbanites.
>>
>> Craig Miller
>> Rogers MN
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nathan Hunstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Mpls list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Friday, January 19, 2001 9:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Minneapolis and the Crosstown
>>
>>
>> > It is my understanding that the cities can't agree for the same
reason
>> >they couldn't agree over three decades ago when they started
construction:
>> >neither city wants to tear down houses and businesses. Neither city
wanted
>> >to do that when I-35W was first proposed. The original design had I-35W
>> >gently curving to the southwest at its junction with the Crosstown. But
>> >such a diagonal route would mean more right-of-way needed than the
straight
>> >north-south routes Richfield and Minneapolis wanted. Minneapolis
wouldn't
>> >move I-35W west, Richfield wouldn't move it east, so it was duplexed
with
>> >the Crosstown. Selah.
>> > To fix this interchange properly would necessitate a few things.
The
>> >first option would be to bite the bullet and do what engineers wanted to
do
>> >in the first place: bend I-35W so it doesn't share a road with 62. Of
>> >course, that would mean tearing down neighborhoods again. We could
build a
>> >new I-35W above 62, stacking the freeway like they do in California.
But
>> >that would be ugly and expensive. Or you could bury the freeway like
they
>> >are doing in downtown Boston. That would take several presidential
cycles,
>> >based on how long it is taking at the Big Dig. Besides, changing the
>> >project would mean going through the process again: planning,
environmental
>> >impact statements, the whole mess.
>> > Regarding building our way out of congestion: of course we could do
it.
>> >Just look at the above options. The question is whether we want to do
>> this.
>> >I don't. I commute 20 minutes down University Avenue; no problem here.
If
>> >highway projects to the outlying 'burbs were financed by those 'burbs --
>> for
>> >example, if Eden Prairie, Chanhassen, and Chaska were the ones paying
for
>> >the 212 expansion -- I wouldn't care as much. But I don't need 212 or
610.
>> >I have seen what is happening to Brooklyn Park with the new 610. Where
>> >there was nothing a few years ago, now there are bright gas stations all
>> >over the place, along with housing developments that look like mushrooms
>> >sprouting up on a farm. Ugly, ugly, ugly.
>> > Regarding light rail along I-35W: if I remember correctly, this was
the
>> >original alignment. It would sure make a lot more sense than running
the
>> >line from a place where few live through a place where people just
travel
>> >through to end in a place where nobody lives. I will spare the PRT rant
>> for
>> >now.
>> >
>> >
>> >===
>> >Nathan Hunstad
>> >Marcy-Holmes
>> >Minneapolis, MN
>> >(612) 331-7766 -- Home (612) 598-6484 -- Wireless
>> >
>> >"Standing on a hill in my mountain of dreams,
>> >Telling myself it's not as hard . . . hard . . . hard as it seems"
>> >--Led Zeppelin
>> >
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