Members: Perhaps I did not make myself clear before:
Debating the personal facets of a member is a gross violation of list rules against disputes of a personal nature. Members who engage in this will be warned and then expelled. I don't care if there's some speculative fig leaf that a member's annual income or zip code somehow affects the worth of their positions. That is a gross reach but more importantly, it is a dangerous precedent. There are two major complaints I hear as manager of Minneapolis Issues. One is that members often don't engage in respectful debate, opting for pettiness and snotiness. The other is that people feel intimidated posting their ideas to the list because they will be attacked personally, not on the basis of their ideas. I am sure Ms. Heller can give as good as she gets. But she has not opted to attack/debate individuals, and that is NOT what the list is here for. If you feel Ms. Heller's posts have violated decorum, I'm happy to entertain complaints - but not on the list, and not as an excuse to one-up her by making her the issue. After our rude election-campaign blowup this summer, list members have generally debated with the decorum required here. It is a big reason why the list is still growing (after the election) and why we are a place people pay attention to. I'd rather let members police themselves - but right now, we are collectively slipping. Warnings will follow, and I beseech members to begin disagreeing respectful and NOT personally, or we will have a few fewer members shortly. David Brauer List manager > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Andy > Driscoll > > Well, Terrell, if Ms. Heller won't introduce herself, perhaps she can be > partially defined by her living arrangement - in the very high rent district > known as North Oaks - St. Paul's tony northern suburb where most of the land > is still owned by the JJ Hill family and/or its trust. North Oaks was the > family estate until they subdivided section by section with land ownership > retained, but private homeowners owning houses on the land the lease from > the land trust. > > This is not your average urban neighborhood. Whether the affluence required > for residence in that gated community influences Ms. Heller's views, I can't > say, but I certainly wonder often where her views are, in fact, rooted. > > There are a few very conservative poor to low income citizens, but I don't > know any. Certainly the rhetoric contained would indicate that Ms. Heller's > views on the Minneapolis housing market while living in North Oaks reflect > possible ownership of a good deal of property on which she would pay the > non-homesteaded taxes of a typical absentee landlord. A personal interest in > how those taxes are affected by public participation in affordable housing > and publicly subsidized community and economic development might spawn such > a concern for the city finances of a person living elsewhere, wouldn't you > say? > > Otherwise, I know nothing about her. > > Andy Driscoll > Saint Paul > ------ > "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who, in times of > moral crisis, remain neutral" --Dante _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
