Tim,
Funny you should mention storm sewers. Mayor Rybak is actually planning an
event for Sunday, September 29 called "Get in the Gutter with the Mayor," to
call attention to sewer obstructions and the hazards of raking leaves into
the gutters. We're going to walk the streets of the city -- sending people
out with maps for neighborhoods all over the city-- clearing out storm
sewers and letting people know that they shouldn't rake leaves into gutters.
We're meeting at the Lake Harriet Bandshell at 10:30 a.m. (It's the day of
the Twin Cities Marathon, but this will be after runners pass through the
area.)

I got the following information on storm sewers from our Public Works
Department. Sorry, I can't help with trees -- they are all maintained by the
Park Service.

Thanks for your interest in storm sewers.  The City sweeps all streets each
Spring and Fall and then rotates intermittent throughout the Summer -- this
is provided uniformly throughout the City.  At any time, you may see
difference in the streets depending upon how recently a sweeping has
occurred in that area.

Street sweeping, besides a livability issue, is also an environmental one.
Basically, leaves, grit and litter in the streets can wash into the storm
drains and eventually flow , untreated into nearby lakes, creeks and the
River.  The leaves and debris, even in small amounts, can naturally contain
phosphorus and may contain pesticides, which pollute the waters.     
   
Citizens help in keeping the streets and storm basins clean is greatly
appreciated. 

Laura Sether
Office of Mayor Rybak
Standish-Ericsson

-----Original Message-----
From: timothy connolly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Mpls] Elms and storm sewers


The StarTribune wrote a particularly nice editorial
bemoaning the loss of another batch of elm trees.

There are very few places around town where you can
still see the canopy effect of these stately trees. It
is a beautiful sight.

I'm certain some have asked these questions but do
people know how much it costs the city to bring down
one of these trees and replace it with another?

I am told the chemical treatment for the diease cost
$300 per yearly application. I am not certain how many
years that would be necessary, if it be in perpetuity
or if it might not have a cumulative effect that would
mean, for instance, after four years you could stop
treatment.

The number I recall being taken down this summer is
300 trees. At $300/tree that would come to $90k for
one year.

How much is the city paying Asplundh? How much will
new trees and labor to plant them cost? How much can
we estimate the cost of new trees not making it will
cost the city?

I'm sure someone has all these figures.

You see where I'm headed with this line of reasoning.

What is the value of these trees?

Sometimes I wonder if we aren't moving too quickly. Is
this an extension of our municipal need to tear down
rather than preserve?

On the point about storm sewers, I had this startling
revelation today as I biked along 26th Street from
Seward into the Wedge.

Nearly every storm sewer in Phillips along 26th was
plugged up with sticks and leaves. Not litter, but
natural detritus that normally disappears from other
city streets in either fall or spring cleanup.

Magically as I crossed the bridge over 35W heading
into Whittier 90% of the storm sewers were free of
leaves and sticks, etc.

This was pretty much the case through Bryant where I
turned back to head downtown.

I'm not certain what the sewer grates in Seward look
like but I would be willing to bet a coupla bucks they
are more like those in Whittier and Lowry Hill East
than those in Phillips.

I'm certain others could point to similarly neglected
neighborhoods.

Are core services for all or just some? 

Or maybe this is another thing we can blame on
junkies, thieves, and poor people.

Tim Connolly
12th and LaSalle 

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