James E Jacobsen wrote:
> About the southern cities scenario, I didn't say they had
>integrated social events or that the blacks or the whites wanted to totally
>interact socially, I doubt they did. I got that from my sister and brother
>in law, who, as new PHD, they went to work at St Judes of Memphis, rented a
>place and that's what their neighbors told them, that previously, the blacks
>and whites had good working relations.
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WM: What are good working relations? In this country it meant that
African Americans "knew" (know) their "place." For some folks, this is
still the case apparently. So long as AAs did all the slog work at poor
wages, the whites would only hang, beat, brutalize those who had the
temerity to look a white person in the eye, or not move off the sidewalk
to allow whites to pass, or sit in the back of the bus. (I remember
riding the bus in St. Louis when that was still true in the late 60s.)
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> I said you should read an old southern novel, and check out
>Bernard Baruch. Actually, Baruch entertained members of congress and the
>President at his anti bellum plantation at Hobcow, Franklin Roosevelt
>himself spent a good month there late in his time of office and during which
>they would go to church, of course on Sunday and the only church there was
>the black's church with the black preacher and they went and it is fun
>reading the discussion of it.
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WM: I've read the old Southern novels, I read the new ones as well.
Reading the ones by Caucasians may not give an accurate picture (like
Gone with the Wind, what a farce). Check out Barbara Hambly who writes
about Louisiana in the 1830s. That'll curl your hair. Read Toni
Morrison, Chester Himes, James Baldwin, and on and on. The happy darky
crap is just that--crap.
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> The people carping about rascism are the ones who know and have
>thought little of the background of it all.
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WM: This is an assumption you are in no position to natter on about.
> Having read a lot of the
>histories, when I see people here and now in Minneapolis who think they
>still are fighting the civil war, I am not charmed.
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WM: People here in Minneapolis are still fighting against racism.
Possible reasons: it hurts the body politic to have it continue
unabated. It hurts our neighbors who are AA. I don't like it when some
gratuitous racist feels the need to behave like a pig to one of my
neighbors over the color of his/her skin. I find it insulting to all of
us. I've read the hate male to AA leaders in this community--I've
received some myself for supporting my neighbors. I've been called a
"race traitor" for supporting the just claims of my AA neighbors. The
Civil War may be over in some parts of this country. My neighbors are
struggling against the racism that takes places every day right here in MN.
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> As to the white - black relationship being often one of employer and
>employee -same as the white white relationship is often as
>employer-employee- that is a big step up from master - slave, and nobody can
>argue that today opportunity -for school employment and good life- is not
>open to people of any race color or religion, at least in America.
>
WM: Mr. Jacobson, your entire screed is an insult to all the people of
Minneapolis who recognize the racism still prevalent in the city. You
have to have your head pretty far down in the sand to have missed the
realities of that racism.
WizardMarks, Central
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