I have a friend whose husband is African American who was refused to be
served breakfast(although they said they'd still serve HER) in Brainerd in
1982. Irony is he lives in Brainerd now; they're divorced. I often wonder
how he can stand it.
JHarmon
Cleveland
>From: WizardMarks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: James E Jacobsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [Mpls] rascism
>Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:06:38 -0500
>
>
>
>James E Jacobsen wrote:
>
>> About the southern cities scenario, I didn't say they had
>>integrated social events or that the blacks or the whites wanted to
>>totally
>>interact socially, I doubt they did. I got that from my sister and brother
>>in law, who, as new PHD, they went to work at St Judes of Memphis, rented
>>a
>>place and that's what their neighbors told them, that previously, the
>>blacks
>>and whites had good working relations.
>>
>WM: What are good working relations? In this country it meant that African
>Americans "knew" (know) their "place." For some folks, this is still the
>case apparently. So long as AAs did all the slog work at poor wages, the
>whites would only hang, beat, brutalize those who had the temerity to look
>a white person in the eye, or not move off the sidewalk to allow whites to
>pass, or sit in the back of the bus. (I remember riding the bus in St.
>Louis when that was still true in the late 60s.)
>
>>
>> I said you should read an old southern novel, and check out
>>Bernard Baruch. Actually, Baruch entertained members of congress and the
>>President at his anti bellum plantation at Hobcow, Franklin Roosevelt
>>himself spent a good month there late in his time of office and during
>>which
>>they would go to church, of course on Sunday and the only church there was
>>the black's church with the black preacher and they went and it is fun
>>reading the discussion of it.
>>
>WM: I've read the old Southern novels, I read the new ones as well. Reading
>the ones by Caucasians may not give an accurate picture (like Gone with the
>Wind, what a farce). Check out Barbara Hambly who writes about Louisiana in
>the 1830s. That'll curl your hair. Read Toni Morrison, Chester Himes, James
>Baldwin, and on and on. The happy darky crap is just that--crap.
>
>>
>> The people carping about rascism are the ones who know and have
>>thought little of the background of it all.
>>
>WM: This is an assumption you are in no position to natter on about.
>
>> Having read a lot of the
>>histories, when I see people here and now in Minneapolis who think they
>>still are fighting the civil war, I am not charmed.
>>
>WM: People here in Minneapolis are still fighting against racism. Possible
>reasons: it hurts the body politic to have it continue unabated. It hurts
>our neighbors who are AA. I don't like it when some gratuitous racist feels
>the need to behave like a pig to one of my neighbors over the color of
>his/her skin. I find it insulting to all of us. I've read the hate male to
>AA leaders in this community--I've received some myself for supporting my
>neighbors. I've been called a "race traitor" for supporting the just claims
>of my AA neighbors. The Civil War may be over in some parts of this
>country. My neighbors are struggling against the racism that takes places
>every day right here in MN.
>
>>
>> As to the white - black relationship being often one of employer
>>and
>>employee -same as the white white relationship is often as
>>employer-employee- that is a big step up from master - slave, and nobody
>>can
>>argue that today opportunity -for school employment and good life- is not
>>open to people of any race color or religion, at least in America.
>>
>WM: Mr. Jacobson, your entire screed is an insult to all the people of
>Minneapolis who recognize the racism still prevalent in the city. You have
>to have your head pretty far down in the sand to have missed the realities
>of that racism.
>
>WizardMarks, Central
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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