I am a supporter of Peter McLaughlin and certainly did not, and would not, have made such a request because I believed this came from Peter. That being said, I still think Peter should say so publicly, since the slur was miss-guidedly done on Peter's behalf. . I thought Peter would be done a favor by asking that he send something to the "List" to clear the air.
What David Brauer in his role of "List Manager" failed to see in my post was that I was not a Eddie Felien supporter. Implying that I "slurred" Peter McLaughlin is unacceptable even from the "List Manager". A request that someone make a good faith attempt to right a wrong is not a "slur". It in no way implied that Peter had anything to do with Wizards actions and in no way slurred him. Also I do not believe I was intending in any way to take on the role of "List Manager". It was that the slur was not a slur, it was Slander of the worst kind. It was also intended to do political damage that can not be fixed with a simple apology. Being "catty" with another list member, however egregious, does not even come close to the admitted slander that took place. Perhaps I should have taken a few hours to send this, just as the List Manager should have taken a more complete reading of my post before saying that I slurred Peter McLaughlin. I started out to send this as a private "off list" message to David Brauer, but realized that the "List Manager" had not done so himself and in fact had sent his message "On List". I feel my reply "On List" is warranted because of that action, and the unfair charge against me. Perhaps even the "List Manager" should take a little time before sending such a message on List, and perhaps contact the person "Off List" if they did not understand the nature of a post. David Brauer does a thankless unpaid job as "List Manage", and I for one appreciate this. All of us occasionally make mistakes, and we should be as understanding of him as he is of us. Jim Graham, Ventura Village ----- Original Message ----- From: List Manager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mpls list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: [Mpls] Decorum > Since Jim is wading into the role of list manager, the real one feels > compelled to pipe up: > > Jim writes: > > > Since this attack was done to support Peter McLaughlin, no matter how > > miss-guided, I ask Peter to also respond to this. It simply is not > enough to > > let this lay. IF Peter McLaughlin does not have certain knowledge > that such > > allegations are true then it is inclement upon him to also say so > publicly. > > Wizard published an apology on the list. Just as, ultimately, she > admitted there was no evidence to support her slur of Eddie - an > unfortunate, belated, but ultimate correcting of the record. > > Likewise, there is no evidence to support a slur that McLaughlin was > behind what Wizard wrote. Two wrongs don't make a right. No McLaughlin > response is necessary. > > Can we please take a lesson from Wizard's irresponsibility? That is, > keep our sordid guesses and conspiracy theories off the list. Instead, > please discuss things we experience as Minneapolitans and issues that > will help make our city a better place to live. It's a discussion list, > people, not a pound-of-flesh party. > > If this list becomes a sewer of slurs, it dies. Do your part in keeping > it out of the gutter. > > Also, a clarification for members who asked me to investigate inaccurate > claims such as Wizard's: > > 1. I have a life, and there are so many hours in the day. This list > already takes up enough time. > > 2. Fundamentally, each member is responsible for their own words - > including being sued if they're stupid enough to libel someone. I am not > a finder of fact and do not plan to incur legal liability by becoming > one. > > 3. If someone has slimed you, take a chance and email them directly, > give them the facts, and ask them to post an apology. If that doesn't > work, e-mail me, and I'll help figure out what to do, both for your sake > and the list's. Don't keep a rule-breaking personal slime war going on > the list. > > 4. Our list rules are designed to police decorum, not serve as a court > of law. Libelous or near-libelous posts draw warnings (as this one did) > not because they are illegal, but because they are against our rules. > > Finally - there's been another rash of "I know I can only post twice but > here's a third post..." postings or "I know I'm not supposed to act as > list manager but I'm going to do it anyway..." posts. > > These are both forbidden by the rules that you agreed to when you > joined. They will draw warnings should they happen. If you need to > respond to something after you've burned your posts, email me directly > at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I may in some cases allow a third post, but after > you use your two, it's my call - to preserve fairness for all. > > Likewise, if you want a list ruling, ask me. It's the only way to avoid > being warned or possibly expelled yourself. > > This is done to keep the list focused on issues, not personalities or > ridiculous feuds. If something isn't working for you, try getting > satisfaction from me - don't drag the whole list further into chasing > its tail. > > David Brauer > List manager > > _______________________________________ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > _______________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
