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JP>, presenting your opinion as fact and then complaining
that you're being persecuted.  It's not the same thing.
LB: Those things Michelle said ARE fact.
Jp: >"community" is represented, which isn't the case when you only
invite select members of the "community"

LB: I think Michelle laid it out clearly. I attended meetings at that time and know 
that
they did a lot of work handing out flyers and advertising the coming meeting at which
representatives were elected.
Jp: > if members of the community don't feel they are represented and especially if
longstanding representative organization are not involved
LB: The members could have attended the meeting. There is no way they could have 
avoided
hearing about it.
Jp> everyone's got to have the right to be at the table.
LB: The community has a right to choose the people to represent them. What were your 
people
doing for the last 10 years? The killings have continued.  I sent the following 
message to
> To Dean Z and Natalie Johnson Lee:
I heard you are trying to recruit members of the various communities in Minneapolis to 
be
on the new mediation panel. I thank you for all your work and your good will in 
working to
end, or at least to limit, police brutality. I learned that you all think that you can
achieve subpoena power.
However, I want to remind you of the group which previously worked on Police
Accountability. I got into that because of an incident in 1986 so I went to many 
meetings
in the early 90's.  I was only peripherally involved but I want to tell you that much 
work
was done for many months, even years, by that group. They had high hopes for years, as 
they
worked, that they would get subpoena power. After all, right was on their side. They
didn't. The police killings continue.
>
> I urge you to take a firm stand on the part of the elected representatives of the
community and not let the City select members to be on the community side of the
negotiations. I have attended many meetings of CUAPB so I have heard a lot of the
violations of law on the part of the police.
> Thank you very much, Louise Bouta
jp: > You have provided no evidence that Kinshasha has done anything to in any way
hinder the process.
LB: We aren't talking about personalities here. The plain fact that negotiation cannot
happen if one side chooses who is to be on both sides of the table. That defies the 
very
definition of negotiation.
Jp: > the lack of principle you show in utilizing the brutal attack by the Police on a
young African American boy as a means to shout from your soapbox
LB:>It wasn't hard to reach to find an illustration of something that happens every 
day. At
the meeting Saturday, I heard six times that of police abuses and beatings of innocent
people and stealing people's valuable property and not returning it and stopping and
beating a black man when they were looking for a white man with blue eyes, and not 
allowing
a person to have his own video for his defense. I heard all that in two hours.
Jp:> organizations such as the Urban League and NAACP and others excluded,
LB:.> the idea is not to excluded anyone but to include people who might possibly have 
a
chance to get the job done.
Jp:> City, Inc., the NAACP are legitimate representative organizations in the
community and may not represent everyone, but has sufficient credibility and
credentials and they are going to be here.  Spike Moss and Randy Staten you may not
like or even agree with be they legitimately and active work for the community.
LB: Their work falls far short of finding justice for this community. They had their 
chance
for the last 10 years.
Jp>> suggest calling her and seeing how you could work together,
LB: That sounds too much like what the elephant said as he stomped around among the 
bed of
ants.

My, we do go on don't we.

Louise Bouta
Well Mind Association of Minnesota
4003 Pillsbury Avenue
Minneapolis, MN 55409
612-823-8249
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.wellmindminnesota.org



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2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject 
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