Emilie Quast wrote:
WM: And if you don't care to be outed? Scuse me, not a good idea. The whole point is that one's marital status is no one's business but the tax man.C. Nompelis: "Suppose two lesbian couples wanted to buy a houseSure: get a variance.
together SNIP Can they not do that?"
Except that the law allows only four "unrelated persons" in my area, you have just described my home in terms of who may arrive. We have never had a noise complaint, nor would we warrant one. If the problem of a house is noise, submit a noise complaint. One's lifestyle should not have to pass muster with the MCDA-supported neighborhood group. Our household calls itself a family and calls itself queer, since it spans three generations of members (and de olde heade was outvoted 3 to 1 with the suggestion that we call it the Oakland Home for the Bewildered--the younger generations assume that bewildered is not a permanent state. Ha!)six bedrooms: assuming each bedroom only was rented to one person and no one doubled up with a friend to save more money, if each renter had one friend over, that's 12 people in the house, probably with 6 TVs going or VCRs or other loud electronic noises. Maybe one of them is playing an instrument loudly enough to be able to hear himself, too. And they will be talking to each other, loudly enough to be heard over the electronics. Maybe each has a car, and maybe each friend has a car, and maybe one or two of them calls a second friend to come on over, and parking is limited (by ordinance) to three spaces on the lot for each dwelling unit.
WM: Nuisance laws are in place to deal with all those annoyances. The civil liberties issue is that the variance assumes that marital bliss is the norm and others are not normative. When the cost of city housing is outrageous, those less well off double up to stretch the dollars and avoid becoming homeless.Now picture yourself living next door or across the street and trying to get to sleep because you have to get up early in the morning. Or your 2 year old keeps waking up because of the noise. OR your geriatric neighbor who has a heart condition can't get to sleep at all, or, or, or,
THAT is what we are trying to avoid.WM: Then use the laws put in place--the nuisance laws, domestic abuse laws, whatever is appropriate, don't set yourself up or let the city set you up as judge and jury on lifestyle. The argument that being loud and obnoxious is an anti-establishment statement is so much bushwah. The argument that the neighbors get to lord it over one's lifestyle is bushwa too.
We don't worry about domestic arrangements in Como unless we can hear themWM: Hoisted on your own petard, Emily. If a household is out of control, it is not their marital status which creates the hoo-hah. The code variance requirement assumes that unless there is a Pater Familius in the household, there will not be order. That is demonstrably not the case. I cite convents and abbys which are anal about order, quiet, discipline, etc. Those trained by nuns, particularly, usually display some components of those disciplines whatever their lifestyle.
in the next house.
WizardMarks, Central(probably named after Central High School which has morphed into Richard Green Central School)
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