This problem can be easily resolved through a re-engineering of the 'Cone of Silence' (a la Get Smart, late 1960s) into the 'Cone of Death'.
Jason Stone Diamond Lake --- Jeremy Wieland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "You screw him with this solution." > > Yes. If you follow my preferred suggestion and allow a finite number of > places to be all smoking, then the owner must pick which devil to dance > with. Increasingly the no smoking movement is heading towards bans instead > of regulation. I don't see the current circumstances, the smoking and > second-hand smoking sections under one roof, continuing indefinitely. So > why not start talking about a solution that is an alternative to banning > smoking in bars and restaurants outright. > > I'm glad to see Wizardmarks and Mr. Bradley jumping in to start talking > about this. We don't know what the results in Minnesota will be if a > significant smoking ban takes hold. Duluth has such a ban, but survives > because Duluth isn't a big place and folks cross the city line to smoke in > bars after enjoying smoke free restaurants in town. I suspect that if the > smoking ban passes in St. Paul there will be a huge migration of people in > both directions. Non-smokers heading to Saint Paul and smokers coming to > Minneapolis may be in our future. Or no one will care much until winter. > > In response to Wizardmarks concerns, I make to claims be able to part the > Red Sea. I only want flesh out alternatives to an outright ban before > Minneapolis goes the way of Duluth and Saint Paul. > > > > Jeremy Wieland > Circulation Director > Utne magazine > 1624 Harmon Place > Minneapolis, MN 55403 > 612.338.5040 x326 > www.utne.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: WizardMarks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mpls] St. Paul considers smoking ban - should Mpls? > > > > Jeremy Wieland wrote: > > >Given that there are smokers, and that smokers seek out smoking > >environments, why not either pass an "all or nothing" ordinance, or provide > >for a finite number of "smoking establishments." The former would ban the > >"kissing your sister" solution that we have now. Either your entire place > >is for smoking, and that includes pipe and cigar, or you're no smoking. > Let > >the market decide what they prefer. The later would allow a finite number > >of places where smoking is part of the ambiance (tip, are they selling > >tobacco at the bar?) to continue. This solution would provide a smoke free > >environment for service workers looking to live a little longer, and would > >not alienate surly cantankerous smokers. > > > WM: What about established restaurants whose business, built up over a > couple of generations from virtually nothing to a restaurant that > supports a family and provides 50+ jobs to the community. Which set of > regular customers does he kick out? He follows all the rules, he keeps a > genuinely nice establishment, etc., etc. > Either way he goes, he loses half is regular business--every day regular > business. You screw him with this solution. > > WizardMarks, Central > > >________________________________ > > > >Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > >Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > > > REMINDERS: > 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL > PROTECTED] before > continuing it on the list. > 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. > > For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html > For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract > ________________________________ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy > Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract ________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
