From when we were looking at the product 18-24 months ago, there wasn't an out of the box support for the VMWare based virtual applications in SCCM. It was more around supporting the thinapp applications by using the Horizon toolset, which from memory was converting the applications into the thinapp format and then delivering them to the computers using MSI wrapper files which include the engine for thinapp, which isn't all that bad but it does mean that you are locked into the VMWare platform (it's the same if you use App-V and locked into Microsoft although you can use Citrix to present out App-V applications now), If application Virtualization is something that is required on your site either option is great, but remember when virtualizing the application you will need to train up all your support teams to handle the change of delivery of content and how to troubleshoot the issues. Around the delivery of a group of applications be it virtual or full install SCCM 2012 can handle this really well with the new application deployment model, so for full installs you use dependances for each of the components, ensuring that you follow the installation order. for Virtual applications you can use the App-V environments which allows you to create app-v packages for each of your products and then put them into a single environment allowing them to intermingle with each other. For me the big decision point between SCCM and the VMware offering wasn't the virtual application layer, it was the fact i could user a single platform to manage our OS deployment, Reporting, and traditional application installation. in addition to this we also looked at how much training would of been required for support staff to manage multiple different toolsets for these solutions. Also remember from a supportablity review how easy is it to find help and advice for the toolset, i know from experience there is huge amount of information for SCCM not just from the vendor but from from the vast community that use it daily, with VMWare is there that support network? Cheers Steve From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: VMware on the way .. the workspace client VS SCCM 2012? Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:07:50 +0000
That does help thanks. It almost seems like we are making a mistake if we go down this road. Do we know if the vmware based virtual apps can be fully managed within sccm? The stuff they have been sending me, they are gettingme to install msi's and they don't uninstall automatically. Say - you target a group with an app in sccm. I'm having to build a package that installs an MSI for their virtual app. A collection that has the AD USER group in it. Then an advertisement. This workspace. They sync the groups and simply authorize that group with a few clicks. When the user is removed it removes the app. I'm guessing that microsoft with sccm 2012 can do something like that as simply as well? I'm stuck using sccm 2007 right now, but it seems like me installing the MSI that they use for the virtual app is completly different then whatever that work space is pushing (msi creates a programs/features entry, theirs does not and goes to appdata folde). From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of steven hosking Sent: December 4, 2014 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: VMware on the way .. the workspace client VS SCCM 2012? VMware will be claiming 99% for vdi or alike and taking the claim as having the hypervisor layer, as for how VMware is positioning horizon, when it launched it was you replace SCCM with it, but they found no traction, so they changed it to use horizon to be for managing the vdi space beside sccm if you have it already. But to use horizon if you don't already have SCCM. Also around virtualizing IE, MS doesn't support it as you are virtualizing part of the operating system which can cause issues if you run multiple versions side by side. In saying that technically you can App-v IE its just complicated, not documented, and not completely supported Hope that helps Steve Sent from my Windows Phone From: Daniel Ratliff Sent: 5/12/2014 6:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [mssms] RE: VMware on the way .. the workspace client VS SCCM 2012? I heard ConfigMgr had 85% at MMS. J Daniel Ratliff From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Murray, Mike Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [mssms] RE: VMware on the way .. the workspace client VS SCCM 2012? I haven’t used it, but they certainly don’t have 99% of the market share for systems management. Last I heard ConfigMgr has something like 70% market share there. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Burke, John Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 10:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [mssms] VMware on the way .. the workspace client VS SCCM 2012? Hi Folks, We haven't gotten around to putting in SCCM 2012 and VMWARE has been selling pretty hard here. We are about to roll out the workspace client and it seems earily familar to some of the stuff SCCM does in 2012. Does anyone know if this is a direct competing product? Are there issues having both clients on the boxes? I did ask about a bit and they said they went with VMWARE because it had 99% of the market share and that it could virtualize IE and Microsofts version cannot. Is that true? That seems like a pretty bad thing to be unable to virtualize IE to get past some really junky apps. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.
