Please take this conversation off-line. 2009/2/22 Christian Boitet <[email protected]>: > Really "no comment"? 22/2/09 > That really calls for some strong comments... > At 4:57 +0000 21/02/09, FERENC KOVACS wrote: > > http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/political-pictures-correct.jpg > > > > > > Ferenc Kovacs > > alias Frank > > Genezistan > > "Starting all over" > > +44 7770654068 (Vodafone) > > http://www.firkasz.com/news.php?item.58.8 > > and > http://translationjournal.net/journal/46meaning.htm > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2003546&l=1e704&id=1107563373 > > > > 5 St. Mary's Place > > Newbury, Berkshire > > RG14 1EG > > U.K. > > Main comment: this a hoax of very bad taste, no translation there. > Picture send by FK: > http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/political-pictures-correct.jpg > Message shown: > "DEATH TO ALL JUICE" > Comment in a balloon, added to the photograph of demonstrators: > "Of course it's correct. I translated it online." > Comments (rather obvious): > 1) that e-mail was from Ferenc Kovacs was of extremely bad taste, or worse, > and should probably have been moderated by the list manager (if there is > one). > 2) "juice" and "jews" (with the usual meanings) are homophones only in > English. > 3) no language seems to have one single word which is ambiguous with these 2 > meanings. > Conclusion: > 1) This is a hoax. Translation (HT, MT) cannot be involved. > 2) The only way to produce that kind of output using MT would be to speak it > IN ENGLISH, use an ASR, not correct the output, translate it in another > language L, and back to English. That evidently does not correspond to any > translational situation. > Further comments on the source of that hoax: > The picture seems to come from > http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32311_Death_to_All_Juice > There is no balloon on that picture. > It seems some "MT hater" has added the balloon later... > > Best, Xan > PS References to this picture and example of rough MT and its post-edition. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > A lot of discussion can be found on the web on that expression. > Some sites ask internauts to signal such unacceptable pseudo-jokes. > We should help them. > Concerning that picture, I could not find an occurrence with the "MT hater" > balloon. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From http://www.reallyvirtual.com/death-to-all-juice/ > Death to All Juice > Posted on February 8, 2009, 4:38 PM, by Sohaib Athar, under Life. > > When I posted this picture of a supposedly Muslim guy in New York holding a > sign saying "Death to all Juice", I did not know that the image was not a > solo incident, but part of a series - the almost-meme even had a tshirt > dedicated to it! > > Last month, a researcher friend from MIT forwarded me a very similar picture > of the same placard but with a different protester, more muslim looking this > time, and told me that the images were being passed around in MIT and > Stanford over email, eliciting the usual muslim hate comments that we are > all so used to. > A google search told me that most of the people were ridiculing the > illiterate 'moon-bat mozzies' in the picture for not being able to spell > (here, here and here), while a Jihad Watch commenter attributed it to be the > work of a certain 'Jouseff Al-Khattab, with some clever use of language > 'calling for genocide without getting busted for hate speech'. A certain > commenter from http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com/ claimed to have > taken the 'hilarious pic of illiterate NY moonbat' and claimed to have > witnessed the guy getting arrested - according to the squirrel, the incident > occurred in December. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Just to show the result of a free "MT web server" producing an instant > "translation" -- in this case a French translation by Google Translate. > Of course it is not a good translation, but if I use it as "pretranslation", > I get a good one in 7 minutes. Note abreviations ("pic" for "picture") and > familiar words (mozzies, lune-bat). > A human translator using no help and translating rapidly could probably > spend 15-20 minutes on that task (normal, slow rate would be 4/5*60=48 > minutes). Translation memories would probably not help much. > In this case, MT used for post-edition reduced the human time by a factor of > about 2 to 3. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------- Google Translate result (MT) > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From http://www.reallyvirtual.com/fr/death-to-all-juice/ > Lorsque j'ai posté cette image d'un homme prétendument musulmans à New > York la tenue d'une pancarte «Mort à tous les jus», je ne savais pas que > l'image n'est pas un incident en solo, mais une partie d'une série - le > quasi-meme a même eu un consacré à ce tshirt! > > Le mois dernier, un chercheur du MIT ami m'a transmis un tableau similaire > de la même affiche, mais avec un autre manifestant, plus musulmane cherche > ce temps, et m'a dit que les images ont été transmises dans le MIT et > Stanford en plus de courriels, de susciter l'habitude muslim commentaires > haineux que nous sommes tous tellement habitués. > Une recherche google m'a dit que la plupart des gens étaient illettrés > ridiculiser "lune-bat mozzies' dans l'image pour ne pas être en mesure de > préciser (ici, ici et ici), tandis que le Jihad Watch commenter attribuée à > des travaux d'un certains «Jouseff Al-Khattab, avec une certaine utilisation > intelligente de la langue» appelant à un génocide sans avoir busted pour les > discours de haine ». Un commentateur de > http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com/ ont affirmé avoir pris le > «hilarious pic d'analphabètes NY moonbat et ont affirmé avoir vu le gars se > arrêtés - en fonction de l'écureuil, l'incident a eu lieu en Décembre. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- after post-edition (7 minutes for 200 words) > -------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Lorsque j'ai posté cette image d'un homme prétendument musulman à New York > tenant une pancarte disant « DEATH TO ALL JUICE » (« Mort à tous les > jus/Juifs) », je ne savais pas que cette photo n'était pas un incident > isolé, mais une partie d'une série - quasiment la même a même eu un > tee-shirt consacré à cela ! > > Le mois dernier, un ami chercheur du MIT m'a transmis une photo similaire de > la même affiche, mais avec un autre manifestant, paraissant plus musulman > cette fois-ci, et m'a dit que les images étaient transmises au MIT et à > Stanford par des courriels, suscitant les commentaires haineux musulmans > habituels auxquels nous sommes tous tellement habitués. > > Une recherche sur Google m'a indiqué que la plupart des gens ridiculisaient > les "mozzies (‰musulmans) lunatiques" illettrés sur la photo, pour ne pas > être en mesure d'épeler (ici, ici et ici), tandis qu'un commentateur du > Jihad Watch l'attribuait à un certain Jouseff Al-Khattab, avec une certaine > utilisation intelligente de la langue « appelant à un génocide sans être > inquiété pour des discours de haine ». Un commentateur de > http://vigilantsquirrelbrigade.blogspot.com/ a affirmé avoir pris la photo > de ces « désopilants lunatiques analphabètes de NY » et ont affirmé avoir vu > le gars se faire arrêter - d'après l'écureuil (?), l'incident a eu lieu en > décembre. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Other references on that picture > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Little Green Footballs - 'Death to All Juice' > - [ Traduire cette page ] > 29 Dec 2008 ... little green footballs - headquarters of the lizardoid army. > littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32311_Death_to_All_Juice - 29k - En cache - > Pages similaires > # > DEATH TO ALL JUICE : pics > - [ Traduire cette page ] > 30 Dec 2008 ... The Reddit headline is just "DEATH TO ALL JUICE", there is > nothing implied in that. Do you mean the original implication in your own > head? ... > www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7mfpq/death_to_all_juice/ - 363k - En cache - > Pages similaires > # > Jihad Watch: Death to All Juice > - [ Traduire cette page ] > "Silence I k_i_l_l you! I kill all the Juice! Death to Juice everywhere! And > Pepsi Cola--death to the Pepsi Cola!" Achmed the Dead Terrorist ... > www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024131.php - 164k - En cache - Pages similaires > # > Jihad Watch: "Death to all juice": Calling for genocide with ... > - [ Traduire cette page ] > 31 Dec 2008 ... When I posted this picture Monday of a Muslim in New York > holding a sign saying, "Death to All Juice," a lot of people took it as the > ... > www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024163.php - 27k - En cache - Pages similaires > # > Results of images for death to all juice > - Signal images--Signaler les images suivantes comme étant choquantes. > http://www.reallyvirtual.com/el/death-to-all-juice/ > http://memetee.com/Welcome/Entries/2008/12/30_Death_To_All_Juice.html > http://jewhating.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/death-to-all-juice/ > http://chickenmafia.com/send/send/1182 > # > "Death To All Juice" - The Spine > - [ Traduire cette page ] > Maybe he was hasty when he initially called for the death of all Juice, but > he later modified it to only call for the killing of the Juice who are > involved ... > communities.canada.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2008/12/29/quot-death-to-all-juice-quot.aspx > - 39k - En cache - Pages similaires > # > BackyardConservative: Death to All Juice > - [ Traduire cette page ] > 29 Dec 2008 ... Death to All Juice. Why do they hate us? This is in > Manhattan.Via lgf. In other news, Hamas brings back crucifixion during > Christmas week. ... > backyardconservative.blogspot.com/2008/12/death-to-all-juice.html - 21k - En > cache - Pages similaires > # > Rantings of a Sandmonkey » Death to all Juice! > - [ Traduire cette page ] > 30 Dec 2008 ... 31 Responses to "Death to all Juice!" ... How could anyone > hate juice? Maybe he's talking about V8 or something. Anyways, we all need > to ... > www.sandmonkey.org/2008/12/30/death-to-all-juice/ - 68k - En cache - Pages > similaires > # > Death to All Juice - Sohaib Athar > death-to-all-juice-shirt. death-to-all-juice-4. Death to All Juice ... > death-to-all-juice-1. Maintenant, si j'avais plus de temps pour écrire, ... > www.reallyvirtual.com/fr/death-to-all-juice/ - 45k - En cache - Pages > similaires > # > Death to All Juice [PIC] > - [ Traduire cette page ] > Death to All Juice: Whoops! Might wanna know your enemy...DEATH TO ALL JUICE > : pics. > buzzfeed.com/lindseyweber/death-to-all-juice-ru - 95k - En cache - Pages > similaires > # > P1180506 pictures from current events photos on webshots > - [ Traduire cette page ] > Of course the reference to juice isnt specific, it obviously refers to all > pulverised fruit products. ... no one could claim that he wants to actually > kill ALL Juice. ... he was only taught to spell 'death'. cant blame the > mullah. ... > news.webshots.com/photo/2298296970103726530OBKYUv - 70k - En cache - Pages > similaires > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Mt-list mailing list > >
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