On 03/05/2010 11:41 AM, Gernot Hillier wrote: > For opening links and stuff it's ok to switch mode, but for simple > reading, it shouldn't be needed. > > I agree that default focus should be in message list, but what about > adding key bindings to scroll the message in the message pane while > leaving the focus at the message list? > > Is there any other nice concept we could copy from other text mode MUAs?
Actually, I already copied the great concept from KMail :) This means that you can always just use Up/Down keys to scroll the message, and the Left/Right keys will go to the next/previous message. I think, this concept really makes sense once you know it. Unfortunately, the almighty j/k keys for scrolling makes sense in both modes, so I think we really have to keep them mode dependent. Furthermore, Space should always act on scrolling the message itself (and going to the next one when at the end). > Never really used mutt by myself... That's probably a feature, if you have read my rant about mutt, you'd probably never want to even try it out :) http://code.google.com/p/vimperator-labs/wiki/WhyMuttSucks >> actually COMPOSE mode should only happen after you press "Esc". This should >> blur the focus, and allow different commands. Like "y" to send the message >> or "t" to focus the To: field (slightly based on mutt's design). So to be >> more exact, COMPOSE is probably the default mode of the composer, but it >> shouldn't be initially in that mode when opening up the composer. > > Hmmm. I'm not sure if blurring the focus is really the right approach. > What we would need is some sort of "read-only" mode to do things like > yanking etc. > > And if "y" is bound to send the message, how shall one copy-n-paste > then? Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V doesn't really work well, especially when > frequently mixed with Ctrl-Z as this cycles Muttator through different > pass-through-modes which was *really* confusing for me at the beginning... All those pass-through modes are really stupid, actually there were/are plans also for vimperator to still allow ctrl-c/x/v do the "normal" operation of cut/copy/paste and find another way to do some kind of pass through mode. So probably once we have decided on how to handle that in vimperator, the problem of copying will also be solved in muttator. I really implemented the design of pass-through when i was a 100% linux user during my university times. Now that I came in contact with Windows on my work and with Mac on my girlfriend's laptop again, i know it was a really bad decision to override ctrl-c/x/v :) The current idea (also for vimperator), is to just keep the INSERT mode quite unchanged from Firefox's default (apart from adding ctrl-w, and ctrl-u shortcuts for deleting words/lines, as this is really an important - often missing - feature). So then, once can just copy/cut/paste normally while in insert mode, and not need passthrough in INSERT anyway. We also would not need an additional, confusing READONLY mode just to copy text. What do you think about the idea? _______________________________________________ Muttator mailing list [email protected] https://www.mozdev.org/mailman/listinfo/muttator
