Hi, Steve. First of all, they are not *my* servers. I'm just a user with a lot of opinions. I might have to get a more powerful phone, though.
The other issue involves pushing versus pulling synched changes. In push sync, the server tells the client thay there are changes waiting. In pull sync, the client polls periodically. MLO currently pulls. I am not certain but I think Google Calendar, Gmail and Evernote all push. The performance of pull sync depends on the polling interval, or how often the client looks for changes. If it's too slow, there's a greater risk that a change shows up too late. But the faster it gets, the more of your phone's data quota and cpu gets used up. Your suggestion of polling whenever the client regains focus does help to reduce the risk of late/missed changes but there are two problems. (1) when I discover a new task and want to add it to my task list and pick up my phone, I want to get on with adding it right now. If the phone makes me watch a "please wait" sign for 20 seconds before starting, I would be very frustrated. (2) sometimes I find a task in MLO, put the phone down, spend a while on the task, go to my laptop, make some changes, and later pick up the phone to look at my tasks.apparently MLO was in the foreground all this time and does not have to "regain focus", so to pick up all changes, timer-driven polling is still necessary. In my view, push sync is better but it's more complex to code. Ng-Dwight Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 On Jun 15, 2014, Steve Gledhill <stevegl...@gmail.com> wrote: >Thanks Dwight. I can understand the second point about the resources (I > >guess you're saying that mlo would have to be continually syncing and >your >servers can't cope). This could be addressed by introducing another >level >of service to generate the income required to upgrade. > >I'm not sure about first point: " It would have to be done quickly >enough >to arrive at each platform faster than it would take the user to arrive >and >start updating the other platform." I only ever use MLO on one device >at a >time. I may move from from PC to my laptop to my phone quite quickly >but >certainly not instantly. If we could have mlo check for changes when it >has >been inactive for a while then that would do. I.e. I make a change on >my >laptop and then immediately start using mlo on the phone ; mlo on the >phone >will have been inactive and will therefore auomtatically sync when it >has >focus. > >On Saturday, 14 June 2014 02:29:23 UTC+1, Dwight Arthur wrote: >> >> Instant synch would be ideal, but there’s actually a little more to >it. >> Whenever a changed record gets synched to the cloud there would need >to be >> a way to push the changed record out to every platform that stores a >copy >> of the record. It would have to be done quickly enough to arrive at >each >> platform faster than it would take the user to arrive and start >updating >> the other platform. >> >> >> >> Regarding why this is not the case already, this takes a lot more >> resources. It would take bigger servers and faster internet >connections, in >> other words money. In addition any user running MLO on a system where >it >> feels a little sluggish would see a clearly perceptible slowdown when >this >> is implemented, and may have to upgrade to a bigger or faster phone. >> >> _Dwight >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> [mailto: >> mylifeo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *Steve >Gledhill >> *Sent:* Friday, June 13, 2014 8:19 PM >> *To:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> >> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] Use both sync methods simultaneously? >> >> >> >> I agree with Dwight: we need to find a way to solve this fundamental >> problem. >> >> >> >> My preferred method would be option 2: sync each record to the cloud >> immediately. I don't know why this isn't the case already. >> >> On Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:42:13 UTC+1, Dwight Arthur wrote: >> >> Lucas, I agree with you and it really is an MLO problem. It's just >that >> it's not a problem with mixed-mode sync. You can get the same >problem with >> cloud sync alone. Just change a task on windows and sync to cloud, >then >> without syncing Android make a change there. Then sync. One of the >changes >> will be lost based on your sync setting, and neither setting will >always be >> right. Latest change isnt always right either. >> >> I believe there are two possible solutions: >> 1. Implement on Android the process that's on Windows that notifies >the >> user that a task was modified on both sides and let the user pick >which one >> to keep, or >> 2. On both Windows and Android, sync each record to the cloud >immediately >> when it is modified. >> -Dwight >> -Dwight >> Mlo betazoid on Android sgn2 >> >> On Jun 11, 2014, Lucas D <lucas....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On further thought, I now realize it was somewhat unfair for me to >blame >> MLO for this problem, since in a way the behavior makes sense in >terms of >> the logic of the "Use local version" setting. But it's not ideal. So >I >> guess what's really needed is an option under "Both sides changed >item" >> that says "Use most recent version". That would solve the problem. >> >> >> >> Lucas >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 5:07:02 PM UTC-5, Lucas D wrote: >> >> There is indeed an issue! I have discovered the following scenario >that >> leads to changes being lost: >> >> >> >> 1. On desktop, create task "Task Version 1". >> >> 2. On android, run wifi sync. >> >> 3. On desktop, edit "Task Version 1" so that it now reads "Task >Version 2" >> >> 4. On desktop, run MLO online sync. >> >> 5. On android, run MLO online sync. >> >> 6. On desktop, again run MLO online sync. "Task Version 2" has now >> reverted to "Task Version 1"! I don't think this should be happening >and I >> lost a bunch of work this way! >> >> >> >> Notes: On android, for the "Both sides changed item" option, I have >> selected, "Use local version". On desktop, in the MLO synchronization > >> options, I have selected the recommended bidirectional sync option. >> >> >> >> (Should I be reporting this to support via some other channel?) >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Lucas >> >> >> On Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:28:50 AM UTC-5, Alexandra MLO Support >wrote: >> >> Hi Lucas, >> >> You can use Cloud and WiFi sync methods with no issues. >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Lucas D <lucas....@gmail.com> >wrote: >> >> First, a word of thanks to the developers. This software is extremely > >> useful. >> >> >> >> Now, I'm currently using wifi sync between the desktop and my Android > >> device, and so far everything is working beautifully. This system is >good >> for me because I often have to work in places that have no internet, >so the >> wifi sync is key. On the desktop, my data is stored in Dropbox, so >that way >> I also have a cloud backup. However, during long periods of >Android-only >> use, I become concerned that I have no updated cloud backup, so I am >> considering adding MLO Cloud sync to the mix. 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