Hi, BS and Bidness. It's my opinion that Linux is the third-most wished-for MLO platform, with Mac at the top followed by Windows phone.

My opinion, and I believe I am agreeing with BS and the OP, is that a cloud-based API with a web UI would be the best: it would be usable by people on these three wishlist platforms plus others as yet unimagined. I would like to be able to integrate MLO with any number of other apps through something like IFTTT, not available at this point for lack of an API. Keeping the MLO developers well compensated is important, I would like to see something like a $25/year subscription for unlimited use across all supported platforms for a single user: simple, clean, and positions MLO to survive future shakeouts and platform collapses much better than the current windows-centric pricing. There are several really critical issues that should be resolved, including maintaining usable levels of functionality with using MLO offline, and vastly improving the security of the cloud storage.

So far I have not seen any signs that MLO developers would consider this path.

-Dwight

On 8/11/2016 12:33 AM, bs27975 wrote:
I hear you. You make good points. You are where I was a few years ago -
since, I use Linux exclusively and have not looked back.

It has often been said that the only real way to 'learn' Linux is to
live with Linux. So I will suggest that you switch to Linux full time,
now - yes, it will be painful, but you will come out the other side, be
happier, and more productive, sooner, by doing so.  Simple example: Word
/ File / Page Setup vs LibreOffice / Format / Page. Many such little
aggravations encountered, forgotten not long after. Although I've tried
a number of distros, I settled on Kubuntu some years ago. My newest
system will run Debian with KDE, Canonical, like Firefox, forcibly
moving us to a tablet interface even on desktops, which I will not
tolerate. Adding to this new pressure to migrate is Chrome's cessation
of 32-bit support.

- I understand your reluctance to fully switch. Like you I set up dual
booting, but have not booted to Win 7 in longer than I can remember. I
also converted that boot to a vm (vmware's free convert facility, IIRC),
and every so often do end up turning that on in VirtualBox, under Linux.
Adobe forms and Digital Editions comes to mind. Tax forms, and e-books.
(Calibre has been handy dandy for ebooks - https://calibre-ebook.com/ .)
I've also had success running such things as TDL
(http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5371/ToDoList-An-effective-and-flexible-way-to-keep-on)
natively on Linux via Wine.

To be fair, though, most of what you say is not a particular MLO problem
specific to MLO, but a gamut wide problem. And mostly one where the
ground has shifted under everyone's feet in the mean time. e.g. Whither
Palm, let alone MS Outlook (moving to web versions).

I know of no pervasive Linux PIM - certainly neither korganizer nor
Evolution. I now doubt that there ever will be one - instead, the
ubiquity of the web and cloud storage has come along, providing
cross-platform and cross-device ubiquity along the way. Be it
smartphone, tablet, desktop, laptop, chromebook, or even STBs like
chromecast, for that matter. So, I've given up hope for a Linux MLO, but
not for a cross-ecosystem 'web' version - problem is standards have not
converged, nor is there any proprietary reason to adopt such as such
would have to be inherently cost free and initiatives need funding if
workers are to be able to buy food. (If they can't, they must go
somewhere where they can, or starve - leaving no one to work on that
initiative.) There are unavoidable and reasonable justifications for
being cloud and subscription based.

Systems and clouds have become more compatible as time passes, including
the primary directive that my data is my data, I will have an
independent copy of it, and it will be secure - with facilities such as
OwnCloud.

However much I dislike web solutions, I expect that such is the only
future. And I no longer look askance at MLO for not having a Linux
version - with limited resources, moving disparate targets, and funding
to maintain, I'm not sure anyone can really blame them, unless and until
a final 'one true way' emerges. And we're nowhere near there, yet. Even
when it does, funding independent development will be problematic.

The ubiquity of Google, gmail, calendar, drive, and apps, demonstrates
this - despite the many deficiencies in each. Indeed, desktop apps are
adopting them rather than the other way around. Witness Thunderbird's
Lightning connector for google calendar, contacts, and tasks.

Alternately, there are things like Evernote and plugins, CheckVist,
DejaOffice, Pimlical, EssentialPIM, X/Free/Mind/Plane, MindRaider,
Treepad and variants, or even ThinkingRock, many with various app or
storage connectors to such as dropbox. But I freely admit I haven't had
any traction with any of them. Indeed, I expect some CRM will
ubiquitously emerge, more than anything else. We're not there yet, and I
am resigned to having to wait for many years before anything as simple,
stable, and solved, as pre-cloud days lands again. I see no other
likelihood in the mean time.

GL&HF

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