I think this is also a wise middle ground. Especially as you say "as yet unknown devices." And keeping the cloud service keeps revenue coming in for the developers. I am OK with that, we all need to eat after all.
But here is thee problem with the Cloud service: how encrypted is it? Now here I may be talking out my rear end, I honestly don't know, and so I am asking. One thing I do know is that encryption can be terribly difficult, and my philosophy is usually "leave the encryption up to a separate software that is written by people who do encryption exclusively." But I know just enough to be dangerous in this area, and I do not mean any disrespect towards Andrey or the team or their technical abilities. But this is a huge and salient question, especially as I said for some software where you capture your most intimate thoughts, ideas, and plans for the future, etc. (like a diary). Now, one could place the data file inside an encrypted TrueCrypt (or whatever they call it these days, I forget now) container but now you are limited to local sync and one PC and one other device, and it's a hassle to switch devices as you need to re-pair them every time, if you have say a PC, laptop, and smartphone, which is my use case. So now we come back to: just how encrypted / secure is the Cloud service? Actually, that's not the only problem. Even if totally secure, the issue remains of having your most intimate thoughts stored on someone else's computer, instead of on your own. As I mentioned above, because of National Security Letters in the U.S., the government can come and get whatever they want, whenever they want, and Andrey and Co are not allowed to tell you anything about it, under penalty of U.S. Federal law! So I suppose another question becomes, where are the server(s) physically located? On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 1:09:42 AM UTC-4, Dwight Arthur wrote: > > Hi, BS and Bidness. It's my opinion that Linux is the third-most > wished-for MLO platform, with Mac at the top followed by Windows phone. > > My opinion, and I believe I am agreeing with BS and the OP, is that a > cloud-based API with a web UI would be the best: it would be usable by > people on these three wishlist platforms plus others as yet unimagined. > I would like to be able to integrate MLO with any number of other apps > through something like IFTTT, not available at this point for lack of an > API. Keeping the MLO developers well compensated is important, I would > like to see something like a $25/year subscription for unlimited use > across all supported platforms for a single user: simple, clean, and > positions MLO to survive future shakeouts and platform collapses much > better than the current windows-centric pricing. There are several > really critical issues that should be resolved, including maintaining > usable levels of functionality with using MLO offline, and vastly > improving the security of the cloud storage. > > So far I have not seen any signs that MLO developers would consider this > path. > > -Dwight > > On 8/11/2016 12:33 AM, bs27975 wrote: > > I hear you. You make good points. You are where I was a few years ago - > > since, I use Linux exclusively and have not looked back. > > > > It has often been said that the only real way to 'learn' Linux is to > > live with Linux. So I will suggest that you switch to Linux full time, > > now - yes, it will be painful, but you will come out the other side, be > > happier, and more productive, sooner, by doing so. Simple example: Word > > / File / Page Setup vs LibreOffice / Format / Page. Many such little > > aggravations encountered, forgotten not long after. Although I've tried > > a number of distros, I settled on Kubuntu some years ago. My newest > > system will run Debian with KDE, Canonical, like Firefox, forcibly > > moving us to a tablet interface even on desktops, which I will not > > tolerate. Adding to this new pressure to migrate is Chrome's cessation > > of 32-bit support. > > > > - I understand your reluctance to fully switch. Like you I set up dual > > booting, but have not booted to Win 7 in longer than I can remember. I > > also converted that boot to a vm (vmware's free convert facility, IIRC), > > and every so often do end up turning that on in VirtualBox, under Linux. > > Adobe forms and Digital Editions comes to mind. Tax forms, and e-books. > > (Calibre has been handy dandy for ebooks - https://calibre-ebook.com/ > .) > > I've also had success running such things as TDL > > ( > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5371/ToDoList-An-effective-and-flexible-way-to-keep-on) > > > > natively on Linux via Wine. > > > > To be fair, though, most of what you say is not a particular MLO problem > > specific to MLO, but a gamut wide problem. And mostly one where the > > ground has shifted under everyone's feet in the mean time. e.g. Whither > > Palm, let alone MS Outlook (moving to web versions). > > > > I know of no pervasive Linux PIM - certainly neither korganizer nor > > Evolution. I now doubt that there ever will be one - instead, the > > ubiquity of the web and cloud storage has come along, providing > > cross-platform and cross-device ubiquity along the way. Be it > > smartphone, tablet, desktop, laptop, chromebook, or even STBs like > > chromecast, for that matter. So, I've given up hope for a Linux MLO, but > > not for a cross-ecosystem 'web' version - problem is standards have not > > converged, nor is there any proprietary reason to adopt such as such > > would have to be inherently cost free and initiatives need funding if > > workers are to be able to buy food. (If they can't, they must go > > somewhere where they can, or starve - leaving no one to work on that > > initiative.) There are unavoidable and reasonable justifications for > > being cloud and subscription based. > > > > Systems and clouds have become more compatible as time passes, including > > the primary directive that my data is my data, I will have an > > independent copy of it, and it will be secure - with facilities such as > > OwnCloud. > > > > However much I dislike web solutions, I expect that such is the only > > future. And I no longer look askance at MLO for not having a Linux > > version - with limited resources, moving disparate targets, and funding > > to maintain, I'm not sure anyone can really blame them, unless and until > > a final 'one true way' emerges. And we're nowhere near there, yet. Even > > when it does, funding independent development will be problematic. > > > > The ubiquity of Google, gmail, calendar, drive, and apps, demonstrates > > this - despite the many deficiencies in each. Indeed, desktop apps are > > adopting them rather than the other way around. Witness Thunderbird's > > Lightning connector for google calendar, contacts, and tasks. > > > > Alternately, there are things like Evernote and plugins, CheckVist, > > DejaOffice, Pimlical, EssentialPIM, X/Free/Mind/Plane, MindRaider, > > Treepad and variants, or even ThinkingRock, many with various app or > > storage connectors to such as dropbox. But I freely admit I haven't had > > any traction with any of them. Indeed, I expect some CRM will > > ubiquitously emerge, more than anything else. We're not there yet, and I > > am resigned to having to wait for many years before anything as simple, > > stable, and solved, as pre-cloud days lands again. 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