The version/upgrade vs subscription model is complex. On one end you may have a developer that may not get enough money for his hard work and on the other end the user can end-up being help hostage by the software. I don't mind the subscription model for Spotify, Netflix etc... Because if I stop using that service, I don't loose much, beside the ability to listen or watch something. If that new hot series comes around, I get back onto the train and that it, I just have to start paying again and that's it. I don't have to spend hundreds of hours setting up things like a task manager. For a "life critical" software, it is different. Let me share my journey with a budget software (YNAB)
In August 2012 I bought a licence for $60. The software was so well written that in July 2022, It will be my 120th month of usage for an owning cost of $0.50/month. Of course that too low to have any developer live on that. If instead of going with the subscription model I don't remember when, they would have came up with upgrades, I would certainly have upgraded each year for let's say $40. So ownership cost : $60 + (9 x $40) = $420 I cannot come-up with a precise comparison since I don't have track of all the when and how much but when they started the subscription model, it was $6/Month so $72/Year. Just there it was a 20% price increase over the $60 and at the end of that year your system stops working...unless you keep paying $72/Year which is 180% what would have been a let's say $40 upgrade fee (That I can buy or not). As of today, the subscription is $14.99/Month or $8.25/Month if paid yearly. So now, provided that this price freezes in time, the (10) year cost of usage would be 120 x $8.25 = $990. Some will remember SalesForce pricing when it started and how they can't really bail-out once all their business process is on there after how many hours of configuration. IMO, MLO is currently not using the full upgrade potential. I bought MLO5 (3) years ago for $60 and never was offered any upgrade, that I would most likely purchased, without a knife on my throat. Michel Le mercredi 1 juin 2022 à 16 h 42 min 34 s UTC-4, [email protected] a écrit : > I personally hate the subscription model for apps and it is a huge > deterrent for me when selecting whether or not to use something. I feel > like I am already doing it with the cloud sync subsription, which makes > some sense because there is ongoing infrastructure costs involved, and I am > willing to pay for significant updates. I understand it is a more > remunerative model for developers, but you will definitely lose customers > going that way. As for the spiel about getting more updates, I personally > don't see a huge amount more updating with software that I'm forced to rent > instead of buy, and it actually seems to me if anything that the old update > model creates more motivation to create meaningful updates that people are > willing to pay for. If for financial reasons MLO went entirely > subscription-based, I'd probably sign up because I'm a long-time user and > many, many searches and trials have shown me that while almost everything > else looks nicer (mostly talking about Windows), there's nothing out there > with a comparable feature set. Just don't piss on my head and tell me it's > raining...subscription models are all about generating more (and more > steady) income. > > On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 5:40:22 AM UTC-7 daniel wrote: > >> As I pull my hp IpaQ out of the drawer and now try to find the power cord >> to see if I left MLO on it :) >> >> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:34 PM imajeff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Agreed; I too have used MLO since before there was a version number >>> (syncing with my Microsoft PDA before a smart phone was possible). >>> Ten years later I thought the difficulty with daily usage would be >>> solved but now, even that was a long time ago and I struggle to maintain >>> tasks. It seems mostly changing what would help me could hinder some other >>> way someone uses it. Internally, it might require much planning plus a big >>> rewrite, but they don't have funding to just hire another team to develop a >>> whole new idea in parallel. Would be like a competition to see who wins >>> becoming the next release (it's what Microsoft has done, and just drop the >>> one that didn't win). >>> >>> But if they will redo it at least enough to allow some scripting >>> language to check and modify things triggered by events, that would be a >>> great start so others can help make normal usage work the way they need, >>> sharing the ideas. Let's make MLO great again >>> >>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:48:28 AM UTC-6 daniel wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, That is simply the best description of my MLO usage ever. I >>>> also have been around nearly as long. The 'exact' same thoughts: "Easy to >>>> plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with on a day to >>>> day basis" OMG I'm married to MLO! >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 8:11 PM Mark Levison <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Hienz you’ve just summarized my entire MLO relationship for as long >>>>> as I’ve used the app. Which apparently dates back 17yrs almost to the day. >>>>> >>>>> Easy to plan with, Easy to keep track of everything. Hard to live with >>>>> on a day to day basis, which is why I eventually wind up abandoning it >>>>> every few years. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Mark - an early user and former forum admin >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, 27 May 2022 at 03:06:14 UTC-4 Heinz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have been working with MLO for many years now. >>>>>> My thoughts (mainly) about the desktop version. >>>>>> >>>>>> *I love* MLO for my task planning. >>>>>> It is a very versatile planning tool and task organizer. >>>>>> I love the flawless synchronization across all my devices. >>>>>> I love the different ways of adding tasks to my inbox (task-by-email, >>>>>> Siri reminders, ...) >>>>>> >>>>>> *I can live* with MLO for my todo lists. >>>>>> I managed to set up a reasonable overview about my upcoming tasks, >>>>>> using workspaces, views, filters and sorting. >>>>>> My standard view "My Day" shows technically all I need, but it is >>>>>> neither a nice nor a motivating user interface. >>>>>> A more attractive wrapping around a list of undone tasks wouldn't >>>>>> hurt :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> *I am lost* with MLO when "Doing" things. >>>>>> For the tasks I have to do on my computer I would wish MLO could >>>>>> support me more in focusing at the current task. >>>>>> Maybe the next evolution step of the "Zoom" function? >>>>>> My idea would be something like an always-on-top vertical task >>>>>> bar/window, showing >>>>>> >>>>>> - the task I am working on >>>>>> - the time I have been spending on this task including an alarm >>>>>> (pomodoro technique) >>>>>> - a plain notes field for quickly putting down ideas, next steps >>>>>> or links without diverting my focus to a separate tool. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today I try to bridge this gap by using a desktop notes program in >>>>>> parallel, but I have to copy my notes back and forth to MLO. >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] schrieb am Donnerstag, 26. Mai 2022 um >>>>>> 17:23:08 UTC+2: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only thing that i miss in MLO is a sort of drag and drop task to >>>>>>> schedule them in a calendar view in the same manner of google task/ >>>>>>> google >>>>>>> calendar or Microsoft to do/Outlook calendar.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is very handy for week planning and instead of a list of number you >>>>>>> can easily visually see correlation between planned task/event and the >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> that they "fill".... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to see also a "day remaining counter" in columns....i >>>>>>> know is already possible to see them moving mouse over due date, but a >>>>>>> dedicated column would be great to see them all at a glance.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks!! >>>>>>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 20:54:45 UTC+2 daniel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THIS!!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So many times I think I must have missed the click, only to then >>>>>>>> find I did occurrences into the future >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM imajeff <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A relatively simple improvement is to make some visible indication >>>>>>>>> on the check box the moment you click to complete a recurring task. >>>>>>>>> Many times especially when I was new at this, I would click the >>>>>>>>> task, see nothing happen, and click it again several times (it is >>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>> normal for me to either have trouble with my mouse button, or >>>>>>>>> operating >>>>>>>>> system not responding). >>>>>>>>> Slowly I realize that I have now completed furture occurrences >>>>>>>>> clear into next year but of course I was only trying to complete the >>>>>>>>> current one! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please make some kind of animation to indicate the recurrence >>>>>>>>> coming back, or at least show the check mark for a limited time to >>>>>>>>> show >>>>>>>>> that it acknowledged my click! Yes I am aware that if you are >>>>>>>>> watching >>>>>>>>> someplace else on the screen and remember what the due date said then >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> would see a change to know, but obviously that will not do for this >>>>>>>>> feature >>>>>>>>> request. 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