On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 09:14, Cook, Garry wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-02-09 at 01:44, Jack Trout wrote: > >>> > >>> Sure it is. If I leave my car in your driveway with the keys in the > >>> ignition and the car running and you decide to take it for a > >>> "test-drive" can I report my car stolen? > >>> > >>> Just because they didn't put the filter on doesn't give someone the > >>> justification to be able to help themselves to whatever they want. > >>> They still own the content. > >> > >> IF you left your car on my property with the keys in it etc, I would > >> still have to perform the action of entering your car and driving > >> away with it. but I would be within my legal right to have it towed > >> away... > >> > >> What I am saying is you have content being delievered to your lines > >> you cannot control without performing something illegal IE climbing > >> the pole and hooking up a filter that is the Cable Companies domain. > >> > >> If your television is passively on the wiring in your house and the > >> wiring is recieving cable its a grey area, because you are not paying > >> for that specifically, but you actions did not cause the cable to be > >> there, if everyone is self reporting you could call the cable company > >> and complain about why are these annoying channels interfering with > >> your normal Snow Pattern you normally get, But if you find 20$ in > >> your mail box, do you call the post office pissed off because you > >> got money? > >> > >> Its the Cable companies job to install and block thier services > >> correctly, if they dont the consumer cant be blamed, if the consumer > >> has made no action to obtain these services, and has not requested > >> these services. > >> > >> But saying we are advocating illegal actions no one has said go to > >> the pole and rip the filters off, no one has said run a line from > >> your neighbors house, no one has suggested running a cablebox not > >> provided by the cable company, so I dont see how anyone is > >> advocating illegal activity > > > > I understand your point, but the issue is you make the conscious > > decision to take the signal that doesn't belong to you and that you > > don't have rights to because you haven't paid for them. > > > > According to the law there are three types of lost property: > > > > Mislaid - I placed something somewhere and I forgot that I put it > > there. Whoever finds it at this point becomes the legal caretaker of > > the product until I come and claim it. They have no ownership > > rights/title to it and are responsible for the upkeep of it. > > > > Lost - I had an item but now I cannot find it and don't know where it > > is. The finder of it has legal title of it against the world to > > everyone except the true owner. > > > > Abandoned - I had an item but now I decided I don't want it so I just > > discarded it. The finder of the item has legal title of it > > against the > > world and the true owner. > > > > In this case the cable company's ownership is definitely mislaid. > > Because of this you have no ownership rights or title to it > > and in fact > > you are responsible for making sure that it is kept in good shape and > > not used an any way contrary to how the owner would want. > > According to > > the law you have the responsibility of telling the cable company about > > the service being given to you. Once you have done this you are now > > absolved from any legal wrongdoings. By not doing so you > > remain liable. > > > > Scott > > With 99 channels, how do I know which ones the cable company has > 'mislaid'? I pay my bill directly from my checking account, so I don't > see any paperwork in the mail stating which channels I have requested > and which I have not. If I'm using MythTV, I may not even notice what > channels I have. But if I'm recording something from any channel on > which it is found, am I now breaking the law if it comes from one of the > 'mislaid' channels? > > Garry W. Cook, CCNA > Network Infrastructure Manager > MACTEC, Inc. - http://www.mactec.com/ > 303.273.5050 (Office) - 720.220.1862 (Mobile) > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > mythtv-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Ignorance might be bliss, but if you didn't know which channels where 'mislaid' then we really wouldn't be having the conversation concerning whether or not you were stealing. Scott
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