Wow Lynnette, First let me thank you all again for attending PA. networking event last fall. thank you for thinking we did a good job. And I agree with most of what you all have said. You hit a raw nerve here. The no show reps, educators or what ever they are.....no excuses I have always lived by say as you do and do as you say, and i just naturally think everyone else does too...foolish little me<LOL>......It is so hard to get a lineup of educators, products and whatnot to run one of these events and to have people not show is unforgivable.. Anyone that has put one together will attest to taking months to make it happen. Even Deb our fearless leader has been stood-up <so to speak> and she warned me things happen. . So many of the companies are now owned by the same big conglomerate. Try to sort all that out and get a response for help with a networking event <big sigh> Although I do believe the networking events have been the best venue in the past few years. If there is a class offered in your area it will likely get canceled due to lack of interest. I know nail techs that havent taken classes for anything since they were in beauty school. They learned what they needed to know there!? Just ask and I 'm sure they will let you know, old wives tales fables and all. At a networking event You can sit with the same educator all day if you like or can move from station to station it is up to you and your needs. I had one gal that left early and said that there was too much and it was overwhelming. If you are considering going to one look around and see what you most want/need to learn and just do that. You can get something else next time. When you think the big guys are in it to make money I wonder if they ever give a thought to where it really comes from. <US> making the best of THEIR products. But we need to be taught how to best use them. and we need to be able to get them. I am NOT going to New York this year for the first time in 15 years, as there has been a steady decline for at least the last 5 years and I keep saying that I wont spend that much to shop when there isnt anything to buy. Last year I bought lunch and a few beverages throughout the day. they weren't running the shuttle buses as they always had so we were stuck there and that was the last straw. I cam home with -0- nail products I couldnt even find most of the main companies. The show was smaller than ever overall...and forget classes. it has been years since there was one. Some of the big names in hair weren't there either, so maybe there is a trend away from shows. I dont know. It does make me wonder though. Dawn [email protected] Lancaster,PA
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 2:48 pm Subject: Re: NailTech:: why support large trade shows when they don't support us nail techs? Well Katherine, I have to agree with you on many points. I know this is going to be touchy for many people, but this is how I see it: I paid quite a bit of money to attend an event that was touting quite a few big name educators. Turned out that there was less than a handful of them and one tossed in to make it seem like there was something else. I was excited by some of the people who were supposed to be there and then never showed/came. I understand the cost of these things, but if it is being advertised that "so-and-so" will be there, and I am paying for it, they should be there. If there are 8 at these other events and only four show up, this is a BUST. Networking events? It seems that some companies will give to some and not others. The one Dawn Flaharty ran was by far one of the best I attended. So when I see that there are good educators heading toward "some" networking events, I wonder why they feel that coming to say the Philly area is not good enough. Is it part of who you know? How does one get the great freebies and door prizes? Before I go to another paid event, I will wait until I know for SURE how many educators will be there and that I can get a VARIETY of things to learn and take back to my salon. Ho hum to the same thing over and over again. So there it is. I will go to some of the shows because there are other things there for me and in my area, PHILLY, the only thing here is Schoeneman shows and they flat out stink. Oh, and for the companies who are "losing" money by attending a show, that is not fully true. Their name is out there, they are seen and they can touch some who have not used their products. Then use the rest as a loss on taxes. That is a poor excuse. It is like us--get your name out there. Oh, and give us some lectures of substance!! Please, NO MORE GREEN. Give us business seminars. Buenos dias, Lynnette Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From: Katherine <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:12:14 -0800 (PST) To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: NailTech:: why support large trade shows when they don't support us nail techs? I prefer going to trade shows over networking events because my husband will not travel, so, the Las Vegas Cosmetology Convention has become my combined vacation and continuing education trip. I usually take an extra day to goof off in addition to the show. I like Vegas because there is so much to do and I do not need a car. I do not gamble, so I can spend as much as I want. I've done the Vegas trip on $200 and I've spent $800 some times. Depending on what I want to do. If I can only afford $200, that's what I do, if I want a longer or more luxurious vacation, I spend more. I can choose from year to year. I can also choose at the trade show what classes on what subject and with what product I want and it's a one to a one and a half hour class. Then I can walk on the trade floor and ask questions and get detailed demos on the spot. At a networking event, the whole day is long classes with too much information. I would only want a detailed, hands on seminar with the product that I use in the salon everyday. I do not want a 4 hour class on a product that I do not use in the salon. I want a 1 hour class for me to see if I'm interested in looking into and trying the product out. After I've tried it for a few months, then I might want a 4 hour class. I like the trade shows because of all the variety, I can sit in a class or walk around on the floor, leave whenever I want, even come back later. Completely submerging myself in a full day of education flips my A.D.D. button. I just can't take it. I start to zone out. I have to go watch a pirate ship sink or some fountains dance or eat at Wolfgang Pucks..... great food is half the fun of going to Vegas, I just eat my way across town. I'm disappointed at the low attendance and poor turn out at the nail classes in Vegas. I look forward to the Vegas show every year with such eagerness, it's better than Christmas! I guess that no one else does Vegas the way I do. It's my education opportunity and my get -a- way all rolled into one. Katherine St.Louis, MO From: Dayna - Days of Beauty <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 7:48:53 AM Subject: RE: NailTech:: why support large trade shows when they don't support us nail techs? I agree with Maggie. We need to let these companies know that we will support them if we see them at shows. However it is frustrating for companies to spend thousands of dollars, and plenty of time for these trade shows, and NO ONE attends their classes or visits their booth. Too many times have I seen empty booths at the trade shows, yet we are upset that they are not at the next show, how can we blame them? Dayna From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maggie in Visalia Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: NailTech:: why support large trade shows when they don't support us nail techs? Problem is, I'm willing to bet our frustration has NOTHING to do with the show or show organizers. Our nail industry companies have every bit the same opportunity to exhibit at these shows that companies from the hair and skin industries have. For reasons that range widely, more and more nail industry companies are choosing NOT to participate at these shows. It's not the SHOWS that we need to take our torches and pitchforks to-- it's the companies that we want to see at the shows. Start writing letters and let these companies know you miss them at the shows. I've told my TT rep numerous times when he calls just before or just after a big tradeshow that I am "saving my money for the show" or that I "have to recover from" the show I just went to. Then I demand to know why they don't do any westcoast shows? Then I make a disapproving Wookie noise and tell him "that sucks." I admit, TT hasn't shown up at a west coast tradeshow because of this yet, and I have not-- as yet-- switch products... but I keep seriously considering doing so. I don't get why nail companies are so busy complaining about the cost of tradeshows when it seems that hair companies still find the expense worthwhile? Maggie Franklin: Attitudes Salon; Visalia, CA "Visionary rebel dreamer; obviously way ahead of my time." Art of Nailz Maggie Rants [and rav...@nails Magazine Facebook --- On Sun, 2/28/10, Jill in Ky <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jill in Ky <[email protected]> Subject: NailTech:: why support large trade shows when they don't support us nail techs? To: "NailTech" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 6:00 PM That's the burning question.........why give your money, time, and effort to support a system that mainly caters to hair? Why do techs continually go out of their way to attend large trade shows, then come back and complain about the few nail classes and nail booths? My philosophy is that anyone can work without hair, but try letting them work without hands and feet! Perhaps we need a "bus boycott" or a "restaurant counter boycott"? What about our rights as nail techs to be treated equally with respect? Or perhaps respect begins by respecting oneself first? After all these years of routinely being referred to as "the nail girl", are we content to own that title? As a small business owners, we routinely support businesses that treat us right. If we're treated rudely or indifferently by a company, then we do not give them our repeat business. Why should choosing a location to receive nail tech education be any different? The grassroots efforts by nail techs to create networking events are gaining momentum, with new ones popping up all over the country, mainly because nail techs are frustrated by the steady decline in nail education at the large industry shows (with the exception of the Orlando show and kudos to Debbie Doerrlamm for organizing the corresponding nail tech BBQ). So if you're contemplating going to a large trade show, please consider supporting the networking events, too! What large trade show gives you lunch? None! You feel lucky to find a spot to sit on the floor to eat your $5 pizza slice with drink your $4 soda. No floor sitting at the Smoky Mountain Event, with all the comfy chairs and massive oak tables! Wander out thru the wall of french doors onto the tree-shaded balconey overlooking the stream, or rest in an adirondack chair in front of the Event Center while you eat your lunch and visit with like-minded nail techs (see photos on my Facebook page showing techs doing just that). When was the last time you received a goodie bag of nail products at a large trade show? Never! You're shocked just to get a sample, and then it's usually of a hair product. What a let down! Ever win a door prize at a large trade show? Nope! With only 100 guest reservations accepted, your chances of winning one of the many fabulous door prizes are extremely good. Everyone at the 1st Smoky Mountain Event went home with a prize, and the majority of the people at the 2nd Event did, too! Getting tired of milling through the crowd at a large trade show, trying to find the few nail booths? At the networking events, it's ALL about the nail techs. Nail techs' are the divas, so we celebrate our uniqueness by only featuring nail products demo'd by the rock stars of the nail world! Why support an industry that doesn't support you as a nail tech? Curious to see how you can make a difference? Support your nearest nail tech networking event now! Jill Wright Spa for Nails 728 Chestnut St. suite 200 Bowling Green, KY. 42101 (270) 799-3637 www.jillsnails.com [email protected] http://www.facebook.com/profile.phpid=1073352006 www.linkedin.com/in/jillwrightntnesmokymtns -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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