That is how I felt about the Star SOG. I use OPI's or Gelish on top. I do not want any WET polish to dry. Defeats the whole idea of the concept. Buenos dias, Lynnette http://www.facebook.com/nailtech Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:31:33 To: NailTech<[email protected]> Subject: Re: NailTech:: My experiences with SOGs [long!] Thanks a bunch...but this reply reminded me about something I'd wanted to know about in earlier discussion: Why in the world would you combine colored gel that is fully cured and ready to go out the door with a polish-type topcoat that isn't cured hard? Seems to defeat the purpose! Why wouldn't you just use a soak off gel topcoat and send 'em out smudge proof? Curious in Key West Karen Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Manicures That Last <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:34:27 To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: NailTech:: My experiences with SOGs [long!] Wow Karen, this was really in-depth! When soaking off eco So Quick there are 2 things you should keep in mind. 1. if you put any polish top coat on, remove that with your normal quick swipe of acetone 2. Using a 180 grit file, etch the surface of the gel, just breaking the gel seal Now a cotton ball/acetone/foil wrap in 5 minutes will remove every last drop of the old color There is no need to do a traditional manicure prior to applying eco So Quick 1. Prepare all of the nails by pushing back and removing all of the cuticles. This step is very important. The most common cause of lifting is cuticle left on the nail. 2. Using a 240 grit file or White Buffer Block, gently remove the natural shine from all of the nails. This removes surface oils and contaminants on the nail plate. 3. Clean the nails and remove dust using Finishing Wipe on a lint free Wipe. Some people have indeed said using primer prior to application will increase soak off time. eco So Quick does not require primer UNLESS you would like the client to go more than 2 weeks. I have seen even without primer, no chipping or wear in over 4 weeks on my own nails. I have pictures posted at the web site. You are quite correct, these products (eco, Shellac & Gelish) do not provide any added strength. These products need to be marketed to a regular manicure client, not an enhancement client as a long lasting polish alternative.. Yes the labeling needs some work and I have been in touch with the office about that. I also hope to, in the next 2 weeks, have a full array of colors posted with descriptions at www.manicuresthatlast.com Yes the pots need to be stirred. The pigment, especially for the darker colors, is very high, many of the colors have shimmer that does settle, so yes they need to be stirred well. Lorraine, webgirl www.ManicuresThatLast.com eco So Quick Soak Off Turn your Part-Time Clients into Full-Time Bookings! 3 Minutes On, 5 Minutes Off - Guaranteed At 10:31 PM 5/22/2010, you wrote: >I received a kit from Tony Cuccio to try the Eco SOG ... please >pass along my sincere thank you to him for me!...and I purchased two >kits from Nail Harmony (Gelish) to try as well. > >Here are some comments: > >I' ve worked with traditional gels for 10+ years and with colored >ones since IBD first came out with them. With that background, I >feel pretty comfortable working with gel-based products. I have to >say that I LOVE, love the ease of this new generation of pigmented >gels. "Back in the day" the more pigment in the gel the harder it >was to work with...it crawled, it pulled bald spots, it bunched up, >it wept into the slightest file mark or low spot! But I kept at >it...and I truly feel that I knew NOTHING about product >control....until I started trying to master colored gels. I credit >the fact that I have no lifting on any of my enhancements to all the >work perfecting colored gels! > >I love the idea of gel in a polish-type bottle....will have to see >if it becomes a question of economics when you get down toward the bottoms. > >I am just fine with small pots of colored gels...I already have a >drawer full of them. > >I have tried "trials" of both the Star and the Gelish...following >their recommendations and had no issues that I know of. When I went >to soak them off, at first I tried the foil/cotton ball method--just >as the client came in. I found that the 6 minutes mentioned by one >was not enough...and at least 10 seems to be needed. I found this >works a bit better if your application is very, very thin. If you've >used the scultping gel to build up a little arch, it takes longer. >My experience is that the product does NOT dissolve, get fluffy or >in any way resemble soaking off acrylics...it just allows you to use >some sort of appropriate pusher to slide the entire application from the nail. > >I found that doing a traditional manicure...(I do soakless manis >with paraffin treatments) is NOT a good idea before you use the SOG. >They peeled right off the next day...per the client. > >I have used non-acid based primer....or not....without noticable >differences in the wear. It might make the product a wee bit harder >to soak off, tho. As a color option only for natural nails, it's >applied very thinly, and I tell my clients not to expect their nails >to suddenly be tough enough to use as screw drivers, but in most >cases, they came back very impressed with the amount of growth they >saw in their natural nails, and were amazed that after soaking the >product off, their nailplates looked untouched....complete with >natural ridges! So, for my manicure clients, I am checking on their >preference before we begin...and treating their nails basically like >a quick natural nail overlay service, followed by application of a >good cuticle oil and then the paraffin at the end. No added time has >been needed, so far. > >For my nail enhancement clients, I have just been offering the SOG's >indiscriminately with my regular colored gels as another option. >Since in this case, I prefer a thicker "base" gel, fully cured, >before applying color coats, I just buff their nails with my e-file >for prep. I find the SOG buffs off a bit easier than the tradtional >colored gels. It doesn't seem to get quite as "hard" or something. >No added time to my service. > >This last couple of weeks, I have mixed, matched, combined, >candy-appled, basically any and every SOG and traditional >enhancement product with no noticable product break down. > >For example, I have one client that I do a traditional L&P P&W, then >apply Gelish shimmery coat right over the top, cure it and out the >door she goes! >I have several traditional gel clients that I've combined their >Young Nails Base with Star, Gelish, or both. I've used the Gelish >Foundation and Top it Off with all combos. So far I have had no >peeling, unusual chippage, dingage, breakage. > >For french style, I have not gotten my hands on SOG white, yet, so >have been just using my YN Hyperwhite on the tips...seems fine with >both Star and Gelish. > >I've noticed that the Star Eco labelling needs some work...it may >just be that the pots I received were quickie/temporary, but the >labels do NOT stay on the pots...have had to tape them all on. And >the label colors are not a good match for the product at all. > >I have noticed that the Gelish bottle that I've had open the >most....seems a bit thicker than it was...so am wondering if the >polish component of SOG's has evaporants in it like polish does and >that they'll thicken over time? I feel the little window on the >bottle is dangerous...and I have tried to be very careful not to let >those get where my UV light can shine in them.....am wondering if >ambient lighting (I use the "full spectrum" bulbs) will have an >effect on this over time...if I kept the bottles on a normal shelf? > >I've noticed that you have to stir the Star pots to get the true >color....so that makes me think we should be gently shaking or >rolling the bottle ones, too? Would a mixing ball in there be a help? > >I can't wait to get my hands/eyes on the product at Premiere so I >can choose colors....none of the websites seem to show the true >colors...in my opinion. I need more colors, and more time playing >with them....and then am going to do a full out marketing campaign. >This is so timely for me...am eager to continue the rebuild of my >business (which is going really well!) and this might just be the >stimulus package I need! > > >Karen Hodges > > >Morning Glory > > >Key West > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "NailTech" group. >To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >[email protected]. >For more options, visit this group at >http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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