For me, I consider if the light will be impeded in any way: if the layer going on top of this one I'm working on has any color pigment at all or if I'm going to add something that will block any light, then this layer needs to be fully cured before moving on.
Thinking along these lines, if any layers I'm going to do above this one are crystal clear, I figure the light can penetrate and this layer will be fine. Working like this can save a few minutes and I have never noticed any undercuring breakdown. KeyzKaren Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Angela Wingerter <[email protected]> wrote: > Clare, I do not do a full two minute cure if it is a sheer and I am going to > do more layers. Always do a full two minute cure on last coat. When I am > using two coats of color I always do a full two minute cure for first coat > but if I get done with second coat I go ahead and take other hand out early > and apply the sealer top gel then a full two minute cure. Soak off gels might > be different and require the full time on all layers. Idk so I just do it for > them. You might want to check with the company of the gel you are using. > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > > From: Clare Clarke <[email protected]>; > To: <[email protected]>; > Subject: Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:15:28 PM > > Hi All, this is my first post and have found loads of gd info off you all. I > live in the UK and am at college doing my nail tech course at the moment. > What I want to know is; if a client wants a thick gel extension, and I layer > it, should I be doing a full 2 min cure on each layer, or just freeze layer > into place. As by time I have 1st polish on layer, then add another layer, > then another, top coat. The mins add up. I also do glitter tips which have 2 > layers, 1st polish layer, fill apex area, then clear cover layer, then top > coat. I have been doing full cures, which add up. > Please advise me on whether I should just be freezing and at what point > please. > Your experience and expertise would be a great help to me right now. > Thank you all in advance for your advise. > Clare :) xxx > > On 25 Jan 2012 16:57, "Katherine Fahrig" <[email protected]> wrote: > Good to know. All these tidbits of information help me do a better job. The > more I understand the better nail tech I become. Thanks for sharing your > expertise! > > Katherine > St. Louis, MO > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:39 AM, "Erick Westcott" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, yes and no. As a matter of functionality, no. In other words after >> the prescribed cure time the nail is essentially done. It is cured and >> should function as intended. >> >> >> >> But yes, it really does continue to cure. Not in any significant way >> though. Sort of like adding a drop of water to a pool. It is not going to >> get any stronger. We are talking about a fraction of a percent of the >> volume of gel. Some gel will continue to crosslink for days and sometimes >> weeks after applied. This is why the longer you leave a soak-off gel on a >> nail the harder it will be to soak off. >> >> >> >> This is one of those blow it out of proportion things. I have to go and >> make my tin foil hat now. If you want one, send a check for $32 to the >> address below. They are fashionable and will protect you against zombie >> mind rays. >> >> >> >> Erick Westcott, CEO >> >> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems >> >> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 >> >> Phoenix AZ 85027 >> >> 602-493-9043 >> >> Fax: 602-493-2544 >> >> [email protected] >> >> www.gelousy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:17 PM >> To: Erick Westcott; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> >> >> >> Erick, >> So is the story we heard about the sun continuing to cure the gel correct? >> Lynnette >> >> Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Erick Westcott" <[email protected]> >> Date: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:43 pm >> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Well, It isn't really sticky layer either, but sticky layer is a quick easy >> way to explain it. Why complicate things, when sticky layer says exactly >> what it is. >> >> >> >> If you really want to be correct, dispersion layer would indicate that >> something was being dispersed or being distributed. I imagine that you >> could make the stretch to say that the sticky layer was covering the entire >> nail therefore it was dispersed over the entire nail. But to disperse would >> assume that something or someone needed to disperse it in the first place. >> You do disperse the product over the nail, but the curing process does not >> disperse the sticky layer, it does not put it there. It was there from the >> beginning. >> >> >> >> If anything the correct term would be inhibition layer. The oxygen >> molecules in the air inhibit the very top layer of gel from curing. >> >> >> >> Given enough time and exposure to UV, that sticky layer starts to cure, then >> you get a gummy really sticky layer that when wiped looks dull. >> >> >> >> Given even more time and exposure to UV, some gel will yellow and become >> brittle, like when you kick a piece of plastic that has been out in the sun >> for years and it just falls apart. But nails becoming brittle due to over >> exposure of UV is rare, it takes a lot of photo aging to make that happen. >> >> >> >> I don't think that was too personally bias. >> >> >> >> I think the "change" came about because the chemists were in the closet so >> to speak. So there were people just running around making things up like, >> "you can't over cure gel", "Polycrylic", "dispersion layer", "acrylics will >> be gone in 10 years", "gel cures cancer and tastes like strawberries". But >> now that some have come out, there is a constant battle between what was >> said and what is correct. Even today there are people that say things that >> simply aren't correct, or they blow things so out of proportion that it is >> just silly. Seven things you MUST do in the next 10 minutes or you will die >> a horrible death in the coming zombie apocalypse. More after the break. >> >> >> >> And that is why I stick to sticky layer. >> >> >> >> Erick Westcott, CEO >> >> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems >> >> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 >> >> Phoenix AZ 85027 >> >> 602-493-9043 >> >> Fax: 602-493-2544 >> >> [email protected] >> >> www.gelousy.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Manicures That Last >> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:48 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> >> >> >> Thank you Erick, apparently you have earned the title Chem-Geek for a good >> reason ! >> I know I use the term dispersion layer ALL the time. I will absolutely stop >> that and use the correct Sticky Reside term! >> >> Lorraine >> >> >> At 09:15 PM 1/18/2012, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh I forgot... How over curing happens. >> >> The sticky residue (and it is NOT called a dispersion layer) starts to cure >> causing dullness when the nail is wiped. With no residue gels, over curing >> causes brittleness. >> >> -Erick >> Gelousy Chemist and general bad ass. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> >> From: Maggie in Visalia <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Wed, January 18, 2012 6:50 pm >> >> To: 1Nail Tech list < [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > >> >> Ok, I need a chem-geek. >> >> >> >> I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone who's known me (or known of me) >> for any length of time, but I'm skeptical of pretty much any information >> that comes down the pike these days on the subject of product chemistry. >> >> >> >> A. I have to take into consideration that the experts on the subject also >> all represent companies and products that they depend on for their >> livelihood, not to mention are personall invested in-- I'm sure Doug Schoon >> thinks of Shellac as his personal baby, for example. So I can't think of any >> source of info on these matters that doesn't come with personal bias. >> >> >> >> B. Everything they used to tell us has changed in the last 20 years that >> I've been listening! Seriously, I remember being told that you could NOT >> overcure gel! That once all the polymer chains were formed, they were done. >> So continued exposure to UV light wasn't going to do anything else. >> >> >> >> It's not that I can't understand that technology changes. That maybe the gel >> technology that's primarily used in the industry today isn't the same as it >> used to be. I'm totally cool with that-- I just want someone to acknowledge >> that it changed. When did anyone say, "Well, it used to be like this, see? >> But now we use this instead and so we have these issues now...?" >> >> >> >> Ok. So anyway.... The current word is that gel CAN be over-cured. If anyone >> would care to explain to me HOW over-curing takes place, I am ALL ABOUT >> learning! >> >> >> >> Just a day or two ago, I came across a post from Manicures That Last about >> over-curing and the example was given that you don't really need to worry >> about over-curing until you get into 5 minute+ range. >> >> >> >> Ummmmm..... so, what happens if a nail chips? or breaks? or peels off? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. 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