To be clear... "Sheer"... Is not what I said. I only do this with "clear" My thinking is that anything that might block the light would interfere. JMHO.
KeyzKaren Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Clare Clarke <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Karen and Angela for tour advise. So if using clear or sheer pink, > then a 'freeze' between layers, but coloured glitter gels full 2 min cure. > Thanks again. > Clare xx > > On 28 Jan 2012 15:37, "Karen Hodges" <[email protected]> wrote: > For me, I consider if the light will be impeded in any way: if the layer > going on top of this one I'm working on has any color pigment at all or if > I'm going to add something that will block any light, then this layer needs > to be fully cured before moving on. > > Thinking along these lines, if any layers I'm going to do above this one are > crystal clear, I figure the light can penetrate and this layer will be fine. > > Working like this can save a few minutes and I have never noticed any > undercuring breakdown. > > KeyzKaren > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Angela Wingerter <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Clare, I do not do a full two minute cure if it is a sheer and I am going to >> do more layers. Always do a full two minute cure on last coat. When I am >> using two coats of color I always do a full two minute cure for first coat >> but if I get done with second coat I go ahead and take other hand out early >> and apply the sealer top gel then a full two minute cure. Soak off gels >> might be different and require the full time on all layers. Idk so I just do >> it for them. You might want to check with the company of the gel you are >> using. >> >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> >> >> From: Clare Clarke <[email protected]>; >> To: <[email protected]>; >> >> Subject: Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >> Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:15:28 PM >> >> Hi All, this is my first post and have found loads of gd info off you all. I >> live in the UK and am at college doing my nail tech course at the moment. >> What I want to know is; if a client wants a thick gel extension, and I layer >> it, should I be doing a full 2 min cure on each layer, or just freeze layer >> into place. As by time I have 1st polish on layer, then add another layer, >> then another, top coat. The mins add up. I also do glitter tips which have 2 >> layers, 1st polish layer, fill apex area, then clear cover layer, then top >> coat. I have been doing full cures, which add up. >> Please advise me on whether I should just be freezing and at what point >> please. >> Your experience and expertise would be a great help to me right now. >> Thank you all in advance for your advise. >> Clare :) xxx >> >> On 25 Jan 2012 16:57, "Katherine Fahrig" <[email protected]> wrote: >> Good to know. All these tidbits of information help me do a better job. The >> more I understand the better nail tech I become. Thanks for sharing your >> expertise! >> >> Katherine >> St. Louis, MO >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:39 AM, "Erick Westcott" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Well, yes and no. As a matter of functionality, no. In other words after >>> the prescribed cure time the nail is essentially done. It is cured and >>> should function as intended. >>> >>> >>> >>> But yes, it really does continue to cure. Not in any significant way >>> though. Sort of like adding a drop of water to a pool. It is not going to >>> get any stronger. We are talking about a fraction of a percent of the >>> volume of gel. Some gel will continue to crosslink for days and sometimes >>> weeks after applied. This is why the longer you leave a soak-off gel on a >>> nail the harder it will be to soak off. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is one of those blow it out of proportion things. I have to go and >>> make my tin foil hat now. If you want one, send a check for $32 to the >>> address below. They are fashionable and will protect you against zombie >>> mind rays. >>> >>> >>> >>> Erick Westcott, CEO >>> >>> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems >>> >>> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 >>> >>> Phoenix AZ 85027 >>> >>> 602-493-9043 >>> >>> Fax: 602-493-2544 >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> www.gelousy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:17 PM >>> To: Erick Westcott; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >>> >>> >>> >>> Erick, >>> So is the story we heard about the sun continuing to cure the gel correct? >>> Lynnette >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "Erick Westcott" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 2:43 pm >>> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> >>> Well, It isn't really sticky layer either, but sticky layer is a quick easy >>> way to explain it. Why complicate things, when sticky layer says exactly >>> what it is. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you really want to be correct, dispersion layer would indicate that >>> something was being dispersed or being distributed. I imagine that you >>> could make the stretch to say that the sticky layer was covering the entire >>> nail therefore it was dispersed over the entire nail. But to disperse would >>> assume that something or someone needed to disperse it in the first place. >>> You do disperse the product over the nail, but the curing process does not >>> disperse the sticky layer, it does not put it there. It was there from the >>> beginning. >>> >>> >>> >>> If anything the correct term would be inhibition layer. The oxygen >>> molecules in the air inhibit the very top layer of gel from curing. >>> >>> >>> >>> Given enough time and exposure to UV, that sticky layer starts to cure, then >>> you get a gummy really sticky layer that when wiped looks dull. >>> >>> >>> >>> Given even more time and exposure to UV, some gel will yellow and become >>> brittle, like when you kick a piece of plastic that has been out in the sun >>> for years and it just falls apart. But nails becoming brittle due to over >>> exposure of UV is rare, it takes a lot of photo aging to make that happen. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think that was too personally bias. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think the "change" came about because the chemists were in the closet so >>> to speak. So there were people just running around making things up like, >>> "you can't over cure gel", "Polycrylic", "dispersion layer", "acrylics will >>> be gone in 10 years", "gel cures cancer and tastes like strawberries". But >>> now that some have come out, there is a constant battle between what was >>> said and what is correct. Even today there are people that say things that >>> simply aren't correct, or they blow things so out of proportion that it is >>> just silly. Seven things you MUST do in the next 10 minutes or you will die >>> a horrible death in the coming zombie apocalypse. More after the break. >>> >>> >>> >>> And that is why I stick to sticky layer. >>> >>> >>> >>> Erick Westcott, CEO >>> >>> Gelousy Gel Nail Systems >>> >>> 1745 W Deer Valley RD STE 124 >>> >>> Phoenix AZ 85027 >>> >>> 602-493-9043 >>> >>> Fax: 602-493-2544 >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> www.gelousy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>> Of Manicures That Last >>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:48 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you Erick, apparently you have earned the title Chem-Geek for a good >>> reason ! >>> I know I use the term dispersion layer ALL the time. I will absolutely stop >>> that and use the correct Sticky Reside term! >>> >>> Lorraine >>> >>> >>> At 09:15 PM 1/18/2012, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Oh I forgot... How over curing happens. >>> >>> The sticky residue (and it is NOT called a dispersion layer) starts to cure >>> causing dullness when the nail is wiped. With no residue gels, over curing >>> causes brittleness. >>> >>> -Erick >>> Gelousy Chemist and general bad ass. >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> >>> Subject: NailTech:: Overcuring gel questions >>> >>> From: Maggie in Visalia <[email protected]> >>> >>> Date: Wed, January 18, 2012 6:50 pm >>> >>> To: 1Nail Tech list < [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>> >>> Ok, I need a chem-geek. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone who's known me (or known of me) >>> for any length of time, but I'm skeptical of pretty much any information >>> that comes down the pike these days on the subject of product chemistry. >>> >>> >>> >>> A. I have to take into consideration that the experts on the subject also >>> all represent companies and products that they depend on for their >>> livelihood, not to mention are personall invested in-- I'm sure Doug Schoon >>> thinks of Shellac as his personal baby, for example. So I can't think of any >>> source of info on these matters that doesn't come with personal bias. >>> >>> >>> >>> B. Everything they used to tell us has changed in the last 20 years that >>> I've been listening! Seriously, I remember being told that you could NOT >>> overcure gel! That once all the polymer chains were formed, they were done. >>> So continued exposure to UV light wasn't going to do anything else. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not that I can't understand that technology changes. That maybe the gel >>> technology that's primarily used in the industry today isn't the same as it >>> used to be. I'm totally cool with that-- I just want someone to acknowledge >>> that it changed. When did anyone say, "Well, it used to be like this, see? >>> But now we use this instead and so we have these issues now...?" >>> >>> >>> >>> Ok. So anyway.... The current word is that gel CAN be over-cured. If anyone >>> would care to explain to me HOW over-curing takes place, I am ALL ABOUT >>> learning! >>> >>> >>> >>> Just a day or two ago, I came across a post from Manicures That Last about >>> over-curing and the example was given that you don't really need to worry >>> about over-curing until you get into 5 minute+ range. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ummmmm..... so, what happens if a nail chips? or breaks? or peels off? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "NailTech" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "NailTech" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "NailTech" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NailTech" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nailtech?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NailTech" group. 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