I did mention the policy had since changed, and that [with IPv4 runout] it
was largely moot at this point. But, the last time I started the process
of requesting an additional allocation, we got bit by the old policy
(which was, IIRC, not explicitly stated anywhere in the NRPM) as $work was
a CDN with global footprint and had infrastructure in regions served by
ARIN, RIPE, APNIC, and Registro.br/NIC.br, and had used ARIN IPs all
around the world.
On Tue, 26 Aug 2025, John Sweeting wrote:
ARIN’s current Out of Region policy can be found in Section 9 of the ARIN
Number Resource Policy Manual, see
https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use
From: Jon Lewis via NANOG <[email protected]>
Date: August 25, 2025 at 11:36:59 AM EDT
To: David Conrad via NANOG <[email protected]>
Cc: Jon Lewis <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Digital Element, Neustar (Transunion) & ipinsight.io
Reply-To: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected]>
On Sat, 23 Aug 2025, David Conrad via NANOG wrote:
The problem is the assumed binding of <IP address, geographic
address> in the “northern hemisphere” or wherever. This has never been guaranteed,
has
always been questionable, and, historically, was actively
discouraged, at least by the RIRs (“the Internet does not use geopolitical
boundaries for
address allocation”, handwaving away the RIR geographical
monopolies).
Huh? It wasn't that many years ago, ARIN considered "out of region" utilized IP
space to not qualify as "utilized" for purposes of qualifying for additional
allocations by showing your existing allocations were sufficiently
utilized.
Though that issue is relatively moot at this point, that policy did
eventually change.
The problem, as I think you pointed out earlier, is that various parties,
for good or ill, need there to be an <IP,geo> binding, even if it doesn’t
really exist, so using what information they have, they make it up
as they go along. Sometimes (usually) it works. Sometimes, it doesn’t. The crux
is that, when it doesn’t, the mechanisms to fix the binding, such
as they are, sucks
This varies quite a bit from one IP Geo provider to the next. Some are
pretty good (have web pages where you can do test queries against their data,
will
accept your geofeed data if you tell them where to get it, etc.). Others
(like Digital Element) seem to be entirely opaque and obtuse.
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