> As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place. There are plenty of reasons. One of my clients (as an example) has a particularly obnoxious phone provider they work with that absolutely refuses to have their mini asterisk phone server box behind a router.
In my case I had my trusty old (~12 years) FreeBSD router die and was down for a few hours while it was replaced. Given a /29, I can set up two and make them redundant. Plus I have an internal kubernetes cluster and am sick of having to manually set up port forwards on my router to map to the private "external IP" of the cluster. > Are you willing to pay more to support v6? That's an odd question. As an ISP, are you willing to lose customers (assuming you're not a monopoly) by not improving your services? Both Qwest/CenturyLink/whatever they're called today and TDS are in the neighboring town, and they're still plugging along with 5 down / 1 up DSL for $80/mo. They've lost a lot of customers over the last few years to StarLink even though it costs a bit more. No one's asking those customers to justify why they *need* higher bandwidth. > Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet. I understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by without v4. I don't even know how to respond to that. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single national provider that doesn't have dual-stack IPv4 and IPv6. Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, etc...they've all had it for years. -A On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:07 AM Josh Luthman <[email protected]> wrote: > Aaron, > > As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place. > Second why don't you just get your own ASN? > > Are you willing to pay more to support v6? Or do you think the ISP should > add that service for free? > > Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet. I > understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by without > v4. > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 10:03 AM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I wish they were dropping in my area. >> I called my backwoods ISP last week (they are a monopoly with ~4,000 fiber >> customers) to go from a single static at my office to a /29 and they said >> "It's $300/mo". >> I asked why it was so high and they said "My boss doesn't like configuring >> them, so he set the price really high". >> Then I asked when IPv6 would be available and got the same answer I got >> back in 2019: "My boss said he was thinking about looking into it next >> year". >> >> -A >> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:12 PM Tom Mitchell via NANOG < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> > v4 addresses have been dropping rapidly. They were as high as $65 last >> > year. Now, there are offers for $11. Average market price now is in >> the >> > mid-$20's. All the NA ISPs have been selling much of their inventory. >> Why >> > not. >> > >> > - Tom >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 11:23 AM Mike Hammett via NANOG < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > What are you using for guides for IPv4 pricing? There are a bunch of >> > > undated blogs, which don't mean much if there's no date. >> > > >> > > Hilco's blog says somewhere around $27 for a /22 to /24: >> > > https://www.ipv4.global/reports/october-2025/ >> > > but then fast forward a month on their auction page and it's down to >> $22: >> > > https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales >> > > >> > > >> > > These guys stopped updating in June: >> > > https://ipv4market.eu/ipv4-market-average-sale-prices-2025/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- >> > > Mike Hammett >> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > > http://www.ics-il.com >> > > >> > > Midwest-IX >> > > http://www.midwest-ix.com >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > NANOG mailing list >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/UWJDG6X3FH73ELJRSEX4O4BIK7CS7EAQ/ >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NANOG mailing list >> > >> > >> https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/2DP5TTAHK4CN2HXHNLLYN225JNLQYJIO/ >> _______________________________________________ >> NANOG mailing list >> >> https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/5D2RDOWMRXX4634VKZO33X4YAR7RYMDK/ > > _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/VNYYQ4DLWRWNQATLCPV2GVTUXRVAP5V5/
