I think I see a misalignment with reality: > Simple BGP config is not that demanding. If you're going to connect a > device to the public internet with BGP, it should require a basic level of > competence.
Yes, anyone using "BGP to connect to the Internet" is required to have some level of competence, agreed. BUT: we can't expect everyone who wants to connect to the Internet to have that level of competence. If someone's a graphic designer working from home, and they want resiliency with 2x ISPs, I don't think we can expect them to have (or be able to afford) the level of competency required to run BGP with 2 ISPs. Instead, I think a more realistic approach would be for them to go to their closest electronics retailer, buy a fancy "dual ISP" router, then just order 2 ISP services from whatever's available in their region, plug in, and forget about it. Unfortunately, getting things like NPTv6, or anything that the IPv6 standards/BCPs state today will really work with IPv6 for the above setup, and the end result will be that they will stay on IPv4, with a 2xWAN NAT setup. From my recent experience with 2 large ISPs providing services in my area, their IPv6 setups would not have worked together with NPTv6 (different pool sizes, one of them only supporting a single /64 and the other one requiring deep tweaking to get anything more than a /64 to work) Tnx Arie On Mon, Jun 22, 2026 at 5:19 AM Tom Beecher via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Is there any current effort underway to make BGP more accessible, > > user-friendly, or "plug and play?" Anything that might address some of > > the more technically demanding aspects of multihoming? > > > Simple BGP config is not that demanding. If you're going to connect a > device to the public internet with BGP, it should require a basic level of > competence. > > CPE vendors might set up web pages that request IPs and an ASN for you. > > Sets up ROAs, IRR, and the CPE, start to finish. > > > None of this stuff should be 'ez-mode' for the uninformed user. Heck, > informed users make a mess of it a lot of the time. > > Home install kits and plug and play doesn't work at a certain point. Stop > trying to shoehorn it. > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 11:23 PM Brian Knight via NANOG < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Is there any current effort underway to make BGP more accessible, > > user-friendly, or "plug and play?" Anything that might address some of > > the more technically demanding aspects of multihoming? > > > > Quick Google says no, but maybe someone has more awareness. > > > > I'm pipe-dreaming BGP multihoming becoming as simple as connecting two > > Internet links to a CPE, with no reduction in MTU. No SD-WAN, no > > tunnels, no NAT. Works over any kind of link: 5G, wifi, GPON, cable, > > fiber, carrier pigeon. > > > > CPE vendors might set up web pages that request IPs and an ASN for you. > > Sets up ROAs, IRR, and the CPE, start to finish. > > > > Maybe there's a new protocol where the carrier auto-generates a BGP > > multihoming token and sends it to the user in the order docs. User sets > > the token on the CPE interface facing that provider. Successful > > negotiation lets the customer announce their prefix and ASN. CPE and > > carrier manage it all, no network staff needed. > > > > -Brian > > > > > > On 2026-06-21 19:29, Dorn Hetzel via NANOG wrote: > > > Sure, have every hotdog cart run BGP, pretty soon we'll need 64 bit AS > > > numbers :) > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 6:29 PM Mike Hammett via NANOG < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> Most pizza shops aren't going to be able to manage BGP. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- > > >> Mike Hammett > > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >> > > >> Midwest Internet Exchange > > >> > > >> The Brothers WISP > > _______________________________________________ > > NANOG mailing list > > > > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/7AMX6YN4MRTN7UQ5CQFNYI3KJCKKFJMZ/ > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/MIC6KX6AZKYZ5OWF4YBPG6754POTGOEI/ _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/2U2YAYG27XPRQRWAUODRHE42YR6CZAY3/
