I think that’s the major sticky point, I would hope we could all agree on one 
thing, but that also leaves one entry point of failure.  Hopefully we can all 
agree that FIDO2, OAUTH2, et al, with be a winner in the long run so everything 
can just use one simple authentication mechanism.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300

> On Mar 23, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Mark Tinka <mark.ti...@seacom.mu> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 23/Mar/20 22:39, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> 
>> Hardware tokens are nothing more than dedicated hardware TOTP devices with 
>> perhaps a few additional parameters programmed at manufacturing time.  
>> Example, RSAID keyfobs are nothing more than TOTP generators with 
>> manufacturer programmed secrets and dedicated clock and display hardware 
>> with no external interface which permits access to the secret.
> 
> For some of my banks, OTP tokens are issued via their device apps. I
> used to have physical key fobs for that; those are now gone.
> 
> Admittedly, not all of my banks have made the transition. On the other
> hand, many of the banks have moved on to support Face ID and QR code
> verification via device apps.
> 
> Not specific to VPN access management, but in the same vein.
> 
> Mark.

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