On 2020-12-14 16:48, Mark Tinka wrote:


On 12/14/20 18:38, David Bass wrote:

It becomes more clear when you think about the options out there, and get a little creative.  Now a days it’s definitely chess that’s being played.

You're right, it really doesn't take much. Preying on humanity can yield great results.

One that has started springing up in my neck of the woods - to simplify car-jacking) - is to obtain a list of customers that subscribe to a vehicle tracking service. The thugs will then call a customer, claiming their tracking device is faulty and needs to be checked physically. The thugs will come to your home or office, tell you that in order to finalize the fix, they need to test drive your car. And boom, that's your car gone!

The hacking, now, IMHO, is to obtain user information to profile who is exploitable, and how. After that, low-tech rules.

Mark.


This stuff is definitely the most visible type of scamming but this is not any different from swindling people at a flea market.  It isn't so much hacking as just using internet to communicate with people and then tricking them.  I think this is a different skill set than gaining access to personal data though.

Gaining access to someone else's computer's files has historically not been a big deal, so I'm guessing it didn't become a huge problem because there was little to gain from doing it.  It might be inconvenient for people, it might be used as part of a larger con against a victim, but it still requires a lot more steps to profit from it.  We all know that we can't stop that from happening, but even going back to the early 90s we've had malware protection vendors making money off this fear, and the problem has now reached a point where the placebo security won't cut it and we'll have to start figuring this problem out.

The impact of these kinds of breaches has always been minor, but in the past 10 years we've placed more and more things into primary storage on a computer, including cryptographic secrets which only function if they're kept secret.  Losing a wallet full of credit cards isn't as bad as losing a wallet full of cash.  There wasn't any way to put money into computer files before, but now there is. Even if only a few people carry money, if it's easy to steal millions of wallets and costs nothing, it's worth doing it for the hope of eventually hitting a money holder.

-Laszlo




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