Dave, I am a regular discourse user these days. I have been a NANOG list participant for at least a quarter of a century. I find all the modern forums require examining multiple web pages and do not support gaining any historical perspective or assist in correlating various topics into a coherent gestalt. They also require waiting for all the embellishments and formatting which html users prize as advantages, even when words, well reasoned or hasty, would serve as well or better.
As you might surmise from the forgoing: IT AINT BROKE. DON’T FIX IT. Pardon my shouting in my fervent expression of my opinion, but it is important that you hear and consider this. - James R Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com On Mar 20, 2021, at 2:46 PM, David Siegel <arizonag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The board has been thinking about enhancements to the NANOG list for a couple > of years now, with the goal of creating a modern interface that the younger > generation of engineers will be more comfortable using. > > Those of you that have attended recent NANOG members meetings may recall that > we are currently beta testing a new community interface called discourse as > part of our NANOG modernization strategic initiative. If it proves out as > the new interface, it will support multiple web-based forums, and each forum > will feature a fully integrated two-way email interface. Once in full > production, the existing general mailing list will be moved to the platform, > and additional topics/mailing-lists will be created. > > If you prefer to join a specific forum but continue to use email as you > always have, that will be an option and there will be many new topic-specific > mailing lists. Those that wish to use a more modern looking web-based > interface for discussion can use that, or anyone can use a hybrid of the two > methods in the same forum (email or web-based). > > The beta is currently only open to board members, but we expect it to be > opened for further beta testing and feedback later this year within the > existing community. > > > Dave Siegel > NANOG board Vice-Chair > > > On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 9:57 AM Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net > <mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > That seems like a reasonable proposal. NANOG-OffTopic, NANOG-Discuss, > NANOG-BizDev, NANOG-xyz, something (more more than one something). > > The other lists still wouldn't allow promotion, but you could make inquiries > and discuss things that don't involve enable or configure. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > > From: "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> > To: "Matthew Petach" <mpet...@netflight.com <mailto:mpet...@netflight.com>> > Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>, adm...@nanog.org > <mailto:adm...@nanog.org> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 6:43:41 PM > Subject: Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG > list...? > > Perhaps the sales, marketing and 'business development' people who've never > typed "enable" or "configure" into a router a single day in their lives might > be better served with a dedicated list that is mission focused on bizdev, and > not operational issues. > > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 3:29 PM Matthew Petach <mpet...@netflight.com > <mailto:mpet...@netflight.com>> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:37 AM Tom Beecher <beec...@beecher.cc> wrote: > CC back to the mailing list for visibility, since I ate the CC list. > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 1:31 PM Tom Beecher <beec...@beecher.cc> wrote: > Rod- > > Please refer to the usage guidelines found here. > https://nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ > <https://nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/> > > 14. Posts that encourage or facilitate an agreement about the following > subjects are inappropriate: prices, discounts, or terms or conditions of > sale; salaries; benefits, profits, profit margins, or cost data; market > shares, sales territories, or markets; allocation of customers or > territories; or selection, rejection, or termination of customers or > suppliers. > > I would tend to agree that while most of your posts to the list are within > the guidelines, there have been occasions where a reasonable person could > think you might be skirting the line a bit. In this case : > > - Your company works as a broker to procure capacity for others. > - You sent an email to the list that wording wise would be exactly the same > as many of us might send to someone they were looking for capacity from. > > I think most would agree this is pretty clearly against both the usage > guidelines and the spirit of what this mailing list is about. > > I would also like to remind you that this list is administered by the NANOG > organization. You have no authority to tell others to 'cease and desist', and > insult someone as 'underemployed' is also not well tolerated here. > > I have looped in the list admins here. It would probably be a good idea to > refrain from future messages that are clearly commercial in nature, or that > contain unnecessary insults. > > > > If only we had some way to segregate out different topics > of interest or disinterest, so that people who weren't interested > in questions about bandwidth availability could unsubscribe > from those topics, and only subscribe to the topics that *did* > interest them... > > #AFewDaysTooEarly > > ^_^;; > > Matt > > >
