They are a state controlled company. You think the PRC's party members dont call the shots? I've been to Beijing for work.. I can assure you the government has a very known presence through the private community. Often times, graduates of their state run colleges enter the "private" sector to help their collective needs. China is an odd place, but in my opinion often they are underestimated. Look at their stealth plane, that's a good starting point on their ability to borrow technology and implement it quickly. It's about numbers over there, not sense.
Sent from my Mobile Device. -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Helms <[email protected]> Date: 06/13/2013 10:22 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Nick Khamis <[email protected]> Cc: NANOG <[email protected]> Subject: Re: huawei Not really, no one has claimed it's impossible to hide traffic. What is true is that it's not feasible to do so at scale without it becoming obvious. Steganography is great for hiding traffic inside of legitimate traffic between two hosts but if one of my routers starts sending cay photos somewhere, no matter how cute, I'm gonna consider that suspicious. That's an absurd example (hopefully funny) but _any_ from one of my routers over time would be obvious, especially since to be effective this would have to go on much of the time and in many routers. Hiding all that isn't feasible for a really technically astute company and they're not in that category yet (IMO). On Jun 13, 2013 1:10 PM, "Nick Khamis" <[email protected]> wrote: > On 6/13/13, Michael Thomas <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 06/13/2013 09:35 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > >> > >> I am assuming a not-Hauwei-only network. > >> > >> The idea that a router could send things through other routers without > >> someone who is looking for it noticing is ludicrous. > >> > > > > ::cough:: steganography ::cough:: > > > > Mike > > > > > > Well put! > > N. > >
