Brian: (1) I can't resist invoking the e2e argument and say you
shouldn't depend on intermediaries for reliability.  (2) It's a good
thing that this list is really about NAT66, not those stateful edge NATs.


Brian E Carpenter allegedly wrote on 10/28/2010 17:37 EDT:
> Roger,
> 
> On 2010-10-28 17:29, Roger Marquis wrote:
> ...
>> Home and business users require NAT for 1) layer abstraction (no
>> different, fundamentally, from the abstraction of Ethernet's MAC layer),
>> 2) flexibility (unlinking internal from external and multi-homed
>> topologies), and 3) security.  
> 
> For home users and the vast majority of business users, these three
> arguments are well known to be spurious. I won't waste bits on that.
> 
> On the other hand, who's willing to refund me the $500NZ that I
> unintentionally donated to a charity earlier this year, because
> a NAT session timeout aborted a "secure" connection before the
> ack for the credit card transaction came back over HTTPS, allegedly
> a protocol that NATs handle impeccably?
> 
> OK, it was my own stupid fault for repeating the transaction before
> checking my credit card account, and it was for a good cause,
> but this is the basic reason why NATs are a bad thing for homes
> and businesses. They break stuff.
> 
>      Brian
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