On 11/29/2015 11:27 AM, 'threeneurons' via neonixie-l wrote:

> Seems German Customs needs to see an invoice accessible from the outside. I 
> tend not to ship any paperwork. Only the required Customs Declaration 
> pasted on the box. I think I'll have to invest in these:

Doesn't matter.  We did it correctly and out products still sat in
customs for weeks.  Amazingly enough, the nearby countries that you'd
expect to have the most problems with, France and Italy, no problems at all.

If you have a UPS account, their software will present you with all the
necessary forms and request all necessary data for the country you're
shipping to.  And if you pay their $35 brokerage fee, they'll handle all
customs paperwork at the receiving end.

I highly recommend having an account even if you don't use them much or
at all.  The account is free.  We run stuff that's going USPS through
the UPS system just to make sure we have all the forms and declarations.
 The post office is pretty useless in that regard.

We recently shipped an induction heated lead melting machine to a
Canadian utility.  That was a week-long, nerve-wracking ordeal.  My
first mistake was taking the machine to a company that packs stuff for
shipment.  They had no idea what forms were needed and simply put an
address label on the box.

It took UPS's regional export expert almost a week to straighten out
what was to be an overnight shipment.  I shipped the second machine via
Fedex at a Kinkos/Fedex center and everything was done perfectly but
that's another story.

I learned something from the UPS expert.  Thanks to the panphobia
rampant in this country post 9/11 as embodied in the Patriot (sic) Act,
one is now supposed to be a TSA certified shipper before shipping items
out of the country.  Why TSA?  Who knows?  I don't have the stomach to
read the Patriot (sic) Act.

Our attorney is researching this but I suspect that any of us who ship
stuff across the border are breaking the law.  Customs probably pays no
attention to small, low declared value items but they sure did my lead
melter ($5k).

I had to transfer ownership of the machine to UPS and they technically
exported it.

Something to at least think about, if not worry about.  Meanwhile we are
USA-only sales until we get this clarified.

John


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