Alan and Annie,
I think it's partly because people aren't posting their new work, or
notices about their new work, on here as much as they once did - which
is partly because a lot of people have moved away from New Media Art and
gone more into old-fashioned things like "pictures" and "writing", and
NetBehaviour doesn't necessarily feel like the right vehicle for those.
I'm spending a lot of time on Instagram these days, which I much prefer
to Facebook or Twitter, and I see that Michael Szpakowski and Simon
McLennan are both on there publishing new stuff on a regular basis.
But I think NetBehavour still has this capacity to suddenly go from
being very quiet to being incredibly voluble and fast-moving if somebody
happens to raise a subject that really gets people thinking and talking.
I've never known another online forum quite like it as a vehicle for
debate, and I'd be very sorry to lose that.
Edward
On 30/05/2021 19:59, Alan Sondheim via NetBehaviour wrote:
Dear Annie and netbehaviourists
I do feel differently; I've had amazing exchanges with you and
Johannes Birringer and many others, and I can't imagine these
occurring on Facebook; the very phenomenology of the stream mitigates
against that. I don't know what you mean by "old" "intellectuals"
since a number of people on the lists are also young. The list isn't
sex, but sex is and sex is a lot faster than a list. It's the idea of
"old" that bothers me; on Facebook where I post, as I mentioned, I get
numbers of likes or loves to an image, but texts aren't taken seriously.
Which for me reflects the whole intellectual apparatus of at least the
US and possibly Europe - the need to be an academic or gallery- or
magazine- affiliated. I have none of these and at ELO I felt for
example as a total outsider. And that's a real problem. There are
constant money issues, access issues, equipment issues, travel issues,
survival issues, health issues, audience issues, etc. that are
available if not taken for granted if you work at a university or tech
company. Those issues dominate. My equipment is seriously poor at this
point. God knows what happens in the rest of the world, where there
may be no equipment at all. And these issues are fundamentally class
issues: the intellectual class, old or not, is defined and siloed by
its connections and potentials for connections. I wake up sometimes
thinking critically and artistically I'm dead and why continue at all.
And if I feel that way, again - God knows what happens in the rest of
the world.
I don't read everything on mailing lists, but I take the time to at
least skim. And when I do reply (and I will always reply if I can to
you, for example), I'll do more than click stupidly on
like/love/care/angry and other emoji (which I use as well) (and which
are frankly insulting - someone takes the time to put up something
that make take hours, weeks - and the reply is a click??
It's the stream stream stream stream stream which is NOT flow but
inherently violent, sexist, racist, ageist, and anything else that
excludes. Influencers bet on it: become part of the part or I WAS HERE
BUT I DISAPPEAR. (maybe misquote from The Harder They Come).
As far as NFT goes, I agree with your remark; again it drains any real
discussion re: violence, aesthetics, philosophy, sexism, racism, etc.
.. It's party time; you can't think against the stream; the boat you
might rock founders on it.
As far as Netbehaviour goes, I do hope discussion and presentation
both pick up here. And I do NOT think it's an issue of age or
intellectualism - but a need for ANYONE to have a space to think and
discuss slowly enough within a space of consideration and
considerateness...
Best, Alan, and thank you for the reply.
On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 11:55 AM Annie Abrahams via NetBehaviour
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear Alan and netbehaviourists
I don't know why people write less in netbehaviour. Some hints:
Email is not the favorite way of communication anymore.
Information is toooo much everywhere, people tend to prioritise
what is usefull. Etc etc. Mostly "old" "intelectuals" exchanging
... The list isn't sexy ...
I do miss the old mailing list where people discussed often
without a fear to be ridicule, could ask stupid (what is that?)
questions and get answers. But I admit I also don't always take
the time to read all.
Last week I posted a remark on a not to be mentioned social
network " I hate NFT - and am bored by it - no real perspective
for change, just assets - it is consuming my attention without
giving me anything" and got more than a 100 reactions, by far the
most ever I think. I read it all, got links to a multitude of
articles I mostly had already read.
And still I can't really make up my mind about it.
Then I thought what I would need is not another article, nor a
podcast or talk, but a real conversation about this. A place to
exchange about it, a place where no-one tells me what to read, but
carefully answers my stupid questions, and asks me questions ....
not an email exchange, but a conversation .... (that maybe could
be done via email exchange ..., maybe...)
Such a thing is lacking! Especially in Covid times.
Bye bye
have a nice end of the day all
Annie
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On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 3:49 PM Alan Sondheim <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I've noticed this, and many other lists, have gone mostly
silent (except
for neighborhood lists), and I'm wondering if this has to do
with the end
of many lockdown restrictions? Neighbors are taking care of
neighbors, and
of course in-person contact has increased enormously.
The lists served two purposes during the height of the
epidemic; in
addition to their stated content, they also upheld community.
Now both
seem to have gone silent, at least for the moment.
Comments greatly appreciated
Best, Alan
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