Thanks Ken, this does help. I'm not sure I want to read the nonsense in the arts council debate! I'd rather hear a personal view about art than that of the arts council.
Some of the things both you and ARN have said I already (partially) understand, or am aware of, but like i said, my mind got stuck on the 'art is not communication' - soundbite if you will. james. On 20/8/2007, "Ken Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >well, I suppose it's my view, but the art is how you receive the work, >how it affects your feelings. it is not actually in the work. The work >itself is a platform of ideas that signify the idea of immanence as a >form of transcendence. In this sense the work expresses something >outside the work itself. The 'message ' is not readily available as a >form of communication. That is why different people respond differently >to various works of art. >I know it's a mute point, and maybe I'm not expressing this clearly >enough but I do believe there is confusion about what art is and does, >and sometimes it is easier to say art communicates, and leave it at >that. You aught to read the nonsense in the arts council debate about >what art is. The researchers have come to the conclusion the art is >'self expression' >If it's just that then we are all up the whatever creek we wish. >Just trying to help >ken > > >On Aug 19, 2007, at 18:44, james jwm-art net wrote: > >> i'm getting upset now. >> >> >> can you then just clarify for me this statement: >> >> "art is not communication". >> >> art is not just communication? >> art is not the act of communication? >> art is not communicating? >> art does not communicate? >> >> ****?????____WHY____?????***** >> >> why is art not communication? >> >> simple case: artist has idea. artist make art about idea. someone sees >> art and understands idea about it. >> >> so therefor has not the art communicated the idea? >> >> >> >> On 18/8/2007, "Ken Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> you're right art is not communication. >>> But as cezanne said "I will tell you the truth in painting" >>> >>> ken >>> On Aug 15, 2007, at 10:38, ARN wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> I think I preferred the images to be honest. This I can't quite tell >>>>> what it is meant to do. I can't help thinking it does not what it's >>>>> meant to. >>>> >>>> why always looking for a meaning ? i'm not sure something should >>>> always >>>> mean something (else than what it is, in reality). in fact, to be >>>> honest >>>> too, i believe in the contrary: a piece of art should not have a >>>> determined meaning, so it remain open to high potential of >>>> interpretations (for those looking for meaning). >>>> art is not communication, despite the big current confusion. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Like what was said about the images, can't there be more >>>>> control over it? Instead of chars to link/click, a string to >>>>> type/submit. ??? [slightly overwhelmed] ??? >>>> >>>> and.. why are you looking for more control ? >>>> >>>> http://www.x257.com/asrf/ seems not to be a tool allowing you to >>>> produce >>>> something you have the feeling to choose, it looks more like a simple >>>> coded machine in the networked reality we share. >>>> >>>> >>>>> it's too spammy. >>>> >>>> may be, that's a matter of style perception concerning machine >>>> outputs. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > >_______________________________________________ >NetBehaviour mailing list >[email protected] >http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
