Martin, Since you've called into question someone's ability to be an artist despite their own claims, I'm interested in knowing what makes you an artist? Also, it would be nice if you could clarify where the incompatibility lies between artist/academic (and vice versa).
best r. Pall Thayer artist martin mitchell wrote: > > Woke up and discovered this discussion still drifting on..........! > > Agree this link is becoming abusive have been sent a swastika, abusive > sentences, opinion that artists environments in East End of London > should be destroyed and what I presume are sarcastic words from an > Academic in Scotland. > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 08:57, tom corby wrote: > >> This is a rather unfortunate spat that is now turning to ad hom attacks >> on people. >> >> Systems aren't closed, if there is one thing we've (re)learnt in the >> past 100 years it's this. >> BTW. The internet was invented by academics.... >> >> >> martin mitchell wrote: >>> How odd surely being a part of academia, management systems or a bird >>> sitting on a fence is part of a closeted environment. >>> >>> On 8 Jan 2010, at 00:12, brian gibson wrote: >>> >>>> jesus, mart, >>>> you are narrow as a sparrow. >>>> >>>> its safe to say simon is an artist, an academic, a human, a >>>> descendent of biggs and more.. >>>> and this is said without even really knowing the man.. >>>> 'a man is either and artist or an academic.' >>>> what an absurd and dangerous idea. >>>> >>>> get rid of all those boxes in your head. >>>> life is easier than you think. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:03 PM, martin mitchell >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is this an academic statement:- You need to get out more... >>>> >>>> Spent 7 hours today walking along Lea Valley making digital >>>> images of snow and ice effects ...... >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:57, Simon Biggs wrote: >>>> >>>>> You need to get out more... >>>>> >>>>> Simon Biggs >>>>> >>>>> Research Professor >>>>> edinburgh college of art >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <http://ac.uk/> >>>>> www.eca.ac.uk <http://www.eca.ac.uk> <http://ac.uk/> >>>>> >>>>> *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into *C*o*L*laborative >>>>> *E*nvironments >>>>> CIRCLE research group >>>>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> >>>>> <http://ac.uk/circle/> >>>>> >>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> >>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/> >>>>> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *martin mitchell <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:55:00 +0000 >>>>> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: Multichannel >>>>> VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January >>>>> >>>>> It was used without any description of a subject matter, I'm not >>>>> a politician or economist merely an artist, on reading had no >>>>> idea about what writer was referring to, I do not read dreadful >>>>> daily papers or listen to office management language which the >>>>> original statement was concerned with, spending as much time >>>>> allowed me aside from basic human needs and desires, in my >>>>> studio creating mostly digital imagery.Sensible an individual on >>>>> this site linked a message to ..... I'm Singing ... on YouTube >>>>> .. immediately understood idea behind administrative statement. >>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 23:41, Simon Biggs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It wasn’t Helen who used the term “socio-economic”, it was me. >>>>>> Why is that term difficult? It seems clear to me. It evokes >>>>>> those aspects of the social that are primarily to do with >>>>>> exchange; material and otherwise. I’d be interested to know why >>>>>> it might be a difficult term for some people to process, as it >>>>>> might help me tune my language in the future. I like to be precise. >>>>>> >>>>>> Simon Biggs >>>>>> >>>>>> Research Professor >>>>>> edinburgh college of art >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <http://ac.uk/> >>>>>> www.eca.ac.uk <http://www.eca.ac.uk> <http://ac.uk/> >>>>>> >>>>>> *C*reative *I*nterdisciplinary *R*esearch into >>>>>> *C*o*L*laborative *E*nvironments >>>>>> CIRCLE research group >>>>>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> >>>>>> <http://ac.uk/circle/> >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> >>>>>> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> >>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/> >>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/>> >>>>>> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *martin mitchell <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > >>>>>> *Reply-To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > >>>>>> *Date: *Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:34:02 +0000 >>>>>> *To: *NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: >>>>>> Multichannel VariableEconomies Screening Programme Deadline >>>>>> 28th January >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not the moving image event itself but the nonsensical >>>>>> language used to describe ideas you are looking for inside of >>>>>> those projected images onto a screen. >>>>>> How does one translate into another language part of dogmatic >>>>>> statements like 'running past', 'flag up' or 'socio economic' >>>>>> ........! >>>>>> >>>>>> C.N.A.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:14, Helen Sloan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Martin and List >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Noone is censored in terms of submitting to this programme. It >>>>>>> is open to all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was merely suggesting that if the approach of the programme >>>>>>> feels uncomfortable, it may not be the right one to be >>>>>>> involved in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If anyone wishes to contact me about submitting work or any >>>>>>> aspect of Multichannel, then please get in touch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Helen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/1/10 18:01, "martin mitchell" <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Interesting animation on you tube 'puffing away'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok.......... idea is perhaps to do with self destruction of >>>>>>>> planet earth by human beings that assume to be in control of >>>>>>>> their own destiny, a problem for self aware human beings to >>>>>>>> try and resolve through creative and artistic actions such as >>>>>>>> being a member of the crew on Sea Shepherd but that is method >>>>>>>> of confrontation, maybe I'll think about image content closer >>>>>>>> to home in the East End of London that might reflect >>>>>>>> destruction of living artists environment by construction of >>>>>>>> new Olympic Park. >>>>>>>> Please no more of this 'international socio-economic events" >>>>>>>> language ..........! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> martin mitchell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Crispy Nails Animation Studio >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 17:11, james morris wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHoCd1pTJx4&feature=PlayList&p=5840AC014CA20F89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=56>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2010, "Simon Biggs" <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seems clear to me. They want some video art that engages >>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>> international socio-economic events to put in an exhibition. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Simon Biggs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Research Professor >>>>>>>>>> edinburgh college of art >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> www.eca.ac.uk <http://www.eca.ac.uk> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/> <http://www.eca.ac.uk >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative >>>>>>>>>> Environments >>>>>>>>>> CIRCLE research group >>>>>>>>>> www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> <http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> www.littlepig.org.uk <http://www.littlepig.org.uk> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/>> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/> >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.littlepig.org.uk/> > >>>>>>>>>> AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: martin mitchell <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:50:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> <x-msg://96/[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Call for Submissions: >>>>>>>>>> Multichannel Variable >>>>>>>>>> Economies Screening Programme Deadline 28th January >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is this another example of administrative gobbledegook >>>>>>>>>> ...........! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Have no idear of what you are trying to describe. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> martin mitchell [ artist ]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Helen Sloan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is my first post here and it's a call - sorry. I >>>>>>>>>>> really enjoyed the >>>>>>>>>>> Dark Mountain debate and the one that's emerging on Second >>>>>>>>>>> Life so far. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Meantime, I hope this is of interest and do contact if you >>>>>>>>>>> want more info. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Happy New Year >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Helen >>>>>>>>>>> Helen Sloan >>>>>>>>>>> SCAN >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS: Multichannel 3 >>>>>>>>>>> Title: Variable Economies >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Variable Economies provides the theme for the programme of >>>>>>>>>>> works for >>>>>>>>>>> Multichannel 2010. The theme implies the current global >>>>>>>>>>> economic downturn, >>>>>>>>>>> decreased availability of resources influenced by human >>>>>>>>>>> intervention in the >>>>>>>>>>> natural environment, shifts in national and global >>>>>>>>>>> political emphasis, and >>>>>>>>>>> formally in relation to the making of artist film and >>>>>>>>>>> video. For >>>>>>>>>>> Multichannel 2010 artists are invited to submit works for >>>>>>>>>>> selection that >>>>>>>>>>> touch upon the themes of the programme in terms of the use >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> medium/material of film and video. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Multichannel is a screening programme of artists film and >>>>>>>>>>> video, organised >>>>>>>>>>> and curated by ArtSway and SCAN in ArtSway’s galleries. >>>>>>>>>>> The programme, which >>>>>>>>>>> previously took place at ArtSway in 2007 and 2008, will >>>>>>>>>>> once again feature >>>>>>>>>>> both established practitioners, as well as ground breaking >>>>>>>>>>> video works by >>>>>>>>>>> artists from across the UK, and around the world. This >>>>>>>>>>> year we are pleased >>>>>>>>>>> to announce that Animate Projects will partner on >>>>>>>>>>> Multichannel. >>>>>>>>>>> The selection panel for Multichannel 3 is: Gary Thomas, >>>>>>>>>>> Co-director Animate >>>>>>>>>>> Projects; Helen Sloan, Director, SCAN; Peter Bonnell, >>>>>>>>>>> Curator, ArtSway. >>>>>>>>>>> Criteria/ Format of works for selection: Please submit >>>>>>>>>>> your work for viewing >>>>>>>>>>> on DVD. Should your piece be selected, we will ask you to >>>>>>>>>>> supply your work >>>>>>>>>>> as raw uncompressed files preferably on MiniDV, >>>>>>>>>>> uncompressed .mpg or ..avi. >>>>>>>>>>> Duration: We will accept pieces of any duration but please >>>>>>>>>>> be aware that the >>>>>>>>>>> screenings last up to 2 hours and shorter pieces will take >>>>>>>>>>> preference. In >>>>>>>>>>> exceptional circumstances we may be able to consider >>>>>>>>>>> one-off screenings of >>>>>>>>>>> longer pieces. 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