Thanks Simon for pointing me to megafone.net. Indeed a great project. I just
read the interesting article by Tatiana Mazali.
Let me try to explain a bit more about my confusion, because confused I am
about collaboration and the internet.
My proposition is very general and on purpose a bit provocative ("Now
everyone").
I wanted, as in my other collective writing projects, to have a lot of
different voices, punctuated by the php constraints, expressed on this
webpage. But sofar at least 50% of what is written on the page is written by
me.
Over the years I have seen my own participation in my writing projects grow
from allmost zero to this 50%. I didn't mind because it was a good way for
me to write down and to voice the multiple perspectives in me. The
collections so also became a way to simply write and do research.
But it is puzzling. Why? Maybe the answer is simple: What seemed new and
exciting some years ago, seems oldfashioned and out of date now.
But "On Collaboration" isn't born out of concern with my proper projects.
I hear collegues complain about the difficulty to get collaboration on
projects, to have people participate, take part in webprojects.
It seems to me that participation in the web 2.0 social networks has nothing
to do with this. Because all what is called participation and collaboration
in it seems to me the the by-product of something else, of negociating a
social place. And somewhere I don't like that to be called collaboration. I
think I am simply vexed by this.
It veils the fact that for effective collaboration you need an existing
social group, a local implantation, a clear common goal or some incentive to
trigger a collective effort.
Not sure this is what I wanted to write.
Yours
Annie
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> This is strange; everyone I know collaborates. Certainly for SL and any of
> the other media/etc performances I've been involved with, it's critical.
> Even to keep Odyssey running takes a number of people, and without them, I
> wouldn't have a space to work in.
>
> Facebook btw is also collaborative; there are waves or conglomerations,
> groupings, of people replying to each other, visible to some and not to
> some, etc. Even photographs/videos on Facebook (or any other social site)
> are seen in relation to others, not as mediations, but as many among many.
> There's formally a leveling effect as well, of course.
>
> I also wonder about the "Now everyone" - who is speaking here? This sort of
> theoretical inclusivity seems arbitrary and problematic.
>
> To "us"!
>
> - Alan
>
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, anniea wrote:
>
> Ecriture partagée / collecte *On co – laboration – operation –
>> construction
>> – creation and human constraints
>> <http://bram.org/collaboration/>*Collective writing / collection
>>
>> http://bram.org/collaboration/
>>
>>
>> (ENG)* Collaboration* on and via the Internet has been a hot topic for
>> some
>> time. Now everyone tends to see the Net more as a space for conservative
>> individual self-representation and mediation. I wonder about this. What
>> makes it so difficult? Why doesn’t, does it work? Why are people less
>> interested?
>>
>> Any thoughts on this from you netbehaviourists?
>> If yes, thanks a lot in advance!
>>
>> Annie
>>
>> (FR) La *collaboration* sur et via Internet a été un sujet important pour
>> un
>> certain temps. Aujourd’hui le Net est plus considéré comme un espace
>> plutôt
>> conservateur, individuel de représentation et médiation de soi. J’y songe.
>> Pourquoi est-ce si difficile? Pourquoi les gens s’y intéressent moins?
>>
>> (NL) Er werd in het verleden veel gepraat over *Samenwerken* op en via het
>> Internet. Tegenwoordig ziet eenieder het Net meer als een plek waar men
>> zichzelf presenteert, promoot. Dat geeft te denken. Wat is er zo moeilijk
>> aan?, Waarom werkt het wel, niet? Waarom interesseren mensen zich er
>> minder
>> voor?
>>
>> *On Collaboration* is a part of the Huis Clos No
>> Exit<http://bram.org/huisclos/actu.html>research project.
>>
>>
>> You can find some thought on my collective writing projects in “*Artistic
>> Textual and Performative Paths in New Media Correlations: An Interview
>> with
>> Annie Abrahams*” by Evelin Stermitz published in Hz
>> http://www.hz-journal.org/n14/stermitz.html
>> --
>> Lundi 25 janvier : On Collaboration I, séance de travail à Kawenga
>> Montpellier avec Simon Benhamou (chercheur en écologie comportementale),
>> Mathias Beyler ( metteur en scène ), Laurent Marseault (expert en outils
>> de
>> collaboration sur le web), Thierry Serdane (chercheur en science info com)
>> et Elisabeth Rolland-Thiers ( doctorante en psychologie cognitive
>> expérimentale )
>> http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/on-collaboration1/
>>
>> On Collaboration : http://bram.org/collaboration/index.php
>>
>>
>
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Lundi 25 janvier : On Collaboration I, séance de travail à Kawenga
Montpellier avec Simon Benhamou (chercheur en écologie comportementale),
Mathias Beyler ( metteur en scène ), Laurent Marseault (expert en outils de
collaboration sur le web), Thierry Serdane (chercheur en science info com)
et Elisabeth Rolland-Thiers ( doctorante en psychologie cognitive
expérimentale ) http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/on-collaboration1/
On Collaboration : http://bram.org/collaboration/index.php
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