Hi Annie I¹m not sure how to respond to your comments. On the one hand, my own experience echoes yours, in that there is seems to be less involvement by people than there was in the 1990¹s with ad hoc internet activity. Perhaps it is a case of the community of people who initiated these sorts of activities, many during the early 1990¹s, has changed? However, I think it is less a case of what is fashionable or novel determining developments than the constrained resource of time. Also, the current crop of practitioners want to create their own platforms rather than inherit those which already exist. Much better to make your own cart even if it often means re-inventing the wheel. I wouldn¹t see this as being about contemporary relevance or novelty but normal social development. Whilst I can see where you are coming from I wonder if you are being a bit harsh on social network technologies? Why can¹t Facebook be as effective as a platform for collective authorship as the web or a list-serve? One could also argue that many of the collaborative activities that we saw in the 80¹s and 90¹s were also about negotiating social place. They were certainly about creating creative communities. These days there are such communities everywhere for everything. There would seem to be a place for everyone.
Best Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art [email protected] www.eca.ac.uk Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments CIRCLE research group www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ [email protected] www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: anniea <[email protected]> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:05:56 +0100 To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] On Collaboration Thanks Simon for pointing me to megafone.net <http://megafone.net> . Indeed a great project. I just read the interesting article by Tatiana Mazali. Let me try to explain a bit more about my confusion, because confused I am about collaboration and the internet. My proposition is very general and on purpose a bit provocative ("Now everyone"). I wanted, as in my other collective writing projects, to have a lot of different voices, punctuated by the php constraints, expressed on this webpage. But sofar at least 50% of what is written on the page is written by me. Over the years I have seen my own participation in my writing projects grow from allmost zero to this 50%. I didn't mind because it was a good way for me to write down and to voice the multiple perspectives in me. The collections so also became a way to simply write and do research. But it is puzzling. Why? Maybe the answer is simple: What seemed new and exciting some years ago, seems oldfashioned and out of date now. But "On Collaboration" isn't born out of concern with my proper projects. I hear collegues complain about the difficulty to get collaboration on projects, to have people participate, take part in webprojects. It seems to me that participation in the web 2.0 social networks has nothing to do with this. Because all what is called participation and collaboration in it seems to me the the by-product of something else, of negociating a social place. And somewhere I don't like that to be called collaboration. I think I am simply vexed by this. It veils the fact that for effective collaboration you need an existing social group, a local implantation, a clear common goal or some incentive to trigger a collective effort. Not sure this is what I wanted to write. Yours Annie On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is strange; everyone I know collaborates. Certainly for SL and any of the > other media/etc performances I've been involved with, it's critical. Even to > keep Odyssey running takes a number of people, and without them, I wouldn't > have a space to work in. > > Facebook btw is also collaborative; there are waves or conglomerations, > groupings, of people replying to each other, visible to some and not to some, > etc. Even photographs/videos on Facebook (or any other social site) are seen > in relation to others, not as mediations, but as many among many. There's > formally a leveling effect as well, of course. > > I also wonder about the "Now everyone" - who is speaking here? This sort of > theoretical inclusivity seems arbitrary and problematic. > > To "us"! > > - Alan > > > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, anniea wrote: > >> Ecriture partagée / collecte *On co laboration operation construction >> creation and human constraints >> <http://bram.org/collaboration/>*Collective writing / collection >> >> http://bram.org/collaboration/ >> >> >> (ENG)* Collaboration* on and via the Internet has been a hot topic for some >> time. Now everyone tends to see the Net more as a space for conservative >> individual self-representation and mediation. I wonder about this. What >> makes it so difficult? Why doesn¹t, does it work? Why are people less >> interested? >> >> Any thoughts on this from you netbehaviourists? >> If yes, thanks a lot in advance! >> >> Annie >> >> (FR) La *collaboration* sur et via Internet a été un sujet important pour un >> certain temps. Aujourd¹hui le Net est plus considéré comme un espace plutôt >> conservateur, individuel de représentation et médiation de soi. J¹y songe. >> Pourquoi est-ce si difficile? Pourquoi les gens s¹y intéressent moins? >> >> (NL) Er werd in het verleden veel gepraat over *Samenwerken* op en via het >> Internet. Tegenwoordig ziet eenieder het Net meer als een plek waar men >> zichzelf presenteert, promoot. Dat geeft te denken. Wat is er zo moeilijk >> aan?, Waarom werkt het wel, niet? Waarom interesseren mensen zich er minder >> voor? >> >> *On Collaboration* is a part of the Huis Clos No >> Exit<http://bram.org/huisclos/actu.html>research project. >> >> >> You can find some thought on my collective writing projects in ³*Artistic >> Textual and Performative Paths in New Media Correlations: An Interview with >> Annie Abrahams*² by Evelin Stermitz published in Hz >> http://www.hz-journal.org/n14/stermitz.html >> -- >> Lundi 25 janvier : On Collaboration I, séance de travail à Kawenga >> Montpellier avec Simon Benhamou (chercheur en écologie comportementale), >> Mathias Beyler ( metteur en scène ), Laurent Marseault (expert en outils de >> collaboration sur le web), Thierry Serdane (chercheur en science info com) >> et Elisabeth Rolland-Thiers ( doctorante en psychologie cognitive >> expérimentale ) http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/on-collaboration1/ >> >> On Collaboration : http://bram.org/collaboration/index.php >> > > > == > email archive: http://sondheim.rupamsunyata.org/ > webpage http://www.alansondheim.org sondheimat gmail.com <http://gmail.com> , > panix.com <http://panix.com> > == > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Lundi 25 janvier : On Collaboration I, séance de travail à Kawenga Montpellier avec Simon Benhamou (chercheur en écologie comportementale), Mathias Beyler ( metteur en scène ), Laurent Marseault (expert en outils de collaboration sur le web), Thierry Serdane (chercheur en science info com) et Elisabeth Rolland-Thiers ( doctorante en psychologie cognitive expérimentale ) http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/on-collaboration1/ On Collaboration : http://bram.org/collaboration/index.php _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201
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