Thanks a lot Rob for your thoughts. They are precious Annie
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 5:04 PM, anniea <[email protected]> wrote: > > (ENG)* Collaboration* on and via the Internet has been a hot topic for > > some time. Now everyone tends to see the Net more as a space for > > conservative individual self-representation and mediation. I wonder > about > > this. What makes it so difficult? Why doesn’t, does it work? Why are > > people > > less interested?>> > >> Any thoughts on this from you netbehaviourists? > >> If yes, thanks a lot in advance! > > There's more collaboration than ever before, but it's with Facebook and > Twitter rather than with other human beings. This looks more socialised > than web 1.0 because the machinery is hidden behind a slick veneer. But so > are the people... > > The barriers to entry of the old email-and-homepages net art era are easy > to paint as having been more exclusive than web 2.0's easy sign-up. This > doesn't explain why there's less collaboration, though, you'd think it > should be the opposite. > > I think that having to be able to deal with *people* enough to find out > how to code html, get some space on a server, and ftp a file or set up an > email client, or locate a mailing list and subscribe, was more socialising > than just having Facebook template up the same information about you as > about everyone else. You had to be able to find and communicate with > *people* who knew about the technology, and you this led to a shared body > of technical and social experience. Having tasks that everyone had to do > meant that everyone had to start out by collaborate on them. With that > intital collaboration established, you could continue from there. > > Second Life is an interesting halfway house between web 1.0 / web 2.0. > It's reasonably simple to log in as a porn-star-look-alike, but much harder > to build things. Eventually a Facebook-style sausage machine will emerge > that means you don't have to struggle productively with the medium, you can > just be cool like everyone else instantly. And the people who use it will > laugh at the old prim hackers and their ignorant, restrictive ways. > > Web 2.0 is a race to the bottom for individualism. Everyone is expressing > their recognisably individual selves (sic) in a global context. The > pressure to conform is much greater than just for an immediate social group > (even where that is the limit of someone's personal Facebook interaction). > When the pressure to conform requires that you choose reified, consumable > signifiers of "individuality", or even that you package any actual > individuality into an anti-individualistic presentational schema, it > becomes much harder to laugh like all the other cool kids at the twinkly > star backgrounds on old homepages. At least there were figure and ground > relations then. There aren't any on Facebook. > > There's not enough distance between technology and society any more for > art computing or net art to continue as before, therefore there are not the > tasks to collaborate on. We need to move from collapsing that distance to > recreating it, or to problematising the closeness, or to finding a new > distance where it now exists. We'll need to collaborate on that. > > - Rob. > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- Lundi 25 janvier : On Collaboration I, séance de travail à Kawenga Montpellier avec Simon Benhamou (chercheur en écologie comportementale), Mathias Beyler ( metteur en scène ), Laurent Marseault (expert en outils de collaboration sur le web), Thierry Serdane (chercheur en science info com) et Elisabeth Rolland-Thiers ( doctorante en psychologie cognitive expérimentale ) http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/on-collaboration1/ On Collaboration : http://bram.org/collaboration/index.php
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