Haaaa! It turns out that LP *) is like Andy Warhola a fictional comedian of the first rank, how could I knew that!, seriously as I am
Nevertheless Varela et al. did a very nice job investigating in machine/men interaction / diffusion / convolution etc etc and lay the base of what current practioners might call 'bioart' But stating that virtuality is our new heaven on earth is not being funny but being stupid likewise everything Second Life related I once was there and was shocked by the almost fascistic social behaviour I was welcomed with For me a very bad sign and not a concept or cultural endaveour to delve deeper into, I am more interested in evaluating its underlying authoritarian, libido driven societal power constructs Best Andreas Maria Jacobs 'Culture stinks more than Ten dead Rats' *) http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Les_Patterson w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On 29 Dec 2010, at 22:40, De wraak van Baltassar Geraards <[email protected] > wrote: > Well Simon, > > I will check out this acclaimed genius right away! > > Helas, I thought he/she ? was a neo gnostic, but sadly it appears I > was mistaken > > Can't wait to be initiated though > > Best > > Andreas Maria Jacobs > > w: http://www.nictoglobe.com > w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl > > On 29 Dec 2010, at 22:26, Simon Biggs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Andreas >> >> I fear you are simply unaware of the Ocker wisdom that is Les >> Patterson's >> socio-political vision. It's not so much cross-cultural as sub- >> cultured. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F7E7lAp-hM >> >> I'm familiar, as I am sure most on Netbehaviour are, with Gutattari, >> Weiner >> and Varela (there are some strained connections in that mix) but >> Patterson >> demonstrates why we might need to broaden our cultural frameworks. >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> >> On 29/12/2010 17:51, "De wraak van Baltassar Geraards" <[email protected] >>> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Simon >>> >>> As a bactery myself I thought that culture was the total of human >>> thought and practises and not the way life grows on a petri dish. >>> >>> But that's problably an 'art' related term not suited for >>> discussions >>> dealing with humans >>> >>> What are we talking about biology or humanities? >>> >>> Or maybe the concept of 'autopoiesis' viewed as a post gnostic? >>> Adamos >>> as the bringer of truth for herbal life? >>> >>> Or is this supposed to be 'cross cultural'? >>> >>> I am very sorry, but being aquintant with the works of Guattari and >>> the father of cybernetics; Norbert Wiener, I am having difficulties >>> with the obviousness of these theses >>> >>> Some interesting works: >>> >>> See: >>> >>> Fransisco Varela et al.: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Varela >>> >>> Guatari:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Félix_Guattari >>> >>> Norbert Wiener:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Wiener >>> >>> >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>> >>> w: http://www.nictoglobe.com >>> w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl >>> >>> On 29 Dec 2010, at 12:24, Simon Biggs <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Bacteria is the very definition of culture! As Les Patterson >>>> (sometime >>>> cultural attache for Australia) said, "culture - that's what grows >>>> between >>>> your toes". >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> >>>> On 29/12/2010 08:53, "De wraak van Baltassar Geraards" <[email protected] >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> 4. Culture is all the way down; every organism is a priori >>>>>> cultural. >>>>> >>>>> Agree partly, what are the cultural products of for instance >>>>> bacteria? >>>> >>>> >>>> Simon Biggs >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> [email protected] >> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >> >> [email protected] >> http://www.elmcip.net/ >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
