I think Ruth has articulated this better than I could have :) Best
Simon On 05/05/2011 10:31, "Ruth Catlow" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dave and Simon, > > Thanks again for positive vibes: ) > Thanks Simon for expanding. > > What I can't account for is pure excitement of the process of drawing. > > Like you say Dave, drawing or working in any way with physical materials > produces a thing with "a life of its own" that some how resonates with > my body in a way that making a digital image doesn't. I think it may be > because I haven't taken the time to get close enough to the v. complex > raw materials of the digital image (to manipulate the software, > hardware, display and so the framing of the image)- I am restricted to > working with other peoples' emulations of a painting or drawing pallet. > I used to play the violin and I feel that there is a parallel with the > difference between electronically produced sound and that produced by > playing a physical instrument. Not that I need to make a violin before I > can play it, but with image manipulation software I am using clever > effects, cleverly created by others. Yes I know... it's a can of worms. > > Where the "liveness" comes back in in digital art for me springs from > the networked relational, aspect. The way exchanges of ideas, language > and digital artefacts take root in the lives of our 'neighbours' in the > context of their lives. While the effects of this are mediated by the > technology- the most extraordinary effects seem still to arise between > 'people'. This is electrifying. > : ) > Ruth > > -----Original Message----- > From: dave miller <[email protected]> > Reply-to: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <[email protected]> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] some landscapes > Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:29:28 +0100 > > > Hi Ruth > > Glad you and marc had a good long holiday and a well desrved rest. > Lovely video - I like the way you have made your landscape drawings > return to the landscape, to become part of the landscape again. And > your drawings are great - you're very talented. > > Interesting conversation here - I'd like to know more about what Simon > is talking about - this "making of a work is when you appreciate it > has a life of its own". This is the feeling that I like, and tend to > get it when I do stuff on paper, or with physical materials, not so > much with computer based drawing. It's the out of body feeling that > comes when a work starts to take form. Do you have any links on > Bataille and Marcuse, I'd like to know more about this? > > cheers, dave > > > On 3 May 2011 08:35, Simon Biggs <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Ruth >> >> Subversive in the sense that an activity is designed to short-circuit or >> destablise an established process or set of relationships. For artists this >> has to be a daily activity if they are to critically challenge and refresh >> their practice. >> >> Of course this is fraught with contradictions. What happens if subversive >> methods become default? Are they still subversive - or are they the status >> quo? >> >> I also used the word transcendent in this context, not in any spiritual >> sense (let's be clear, I'm a materialist) but to suggest activities that go >> beyond what we are familiar with, practices intended to shift the frameworks >> we work within. >> >> But perhaps the best word that encapsulates all this, and which I should >> have used at the start, is transgression. This might imply social >> transgression but my focus here is on transgressing one's own conventions >> and beliefs in order to challenge yourself. >> >> So, whilst I agree with you that drawing is about more than just "looking" I >> would still argue that it is often by doing something extreme, that breaks >> with what you normally do, that change is made. In our lives we all carry so >> much baggage and are so adapted to that we are not aware of it most of the >> time. Recognising what we carry with us is the first step in critically >> evaluating what is worth the effort and what isn't. >> >> For me this is what art has always been for. It's an inquiry seeking to >> apprehend how things can be, rather than what we think things are. The most >> exciting moment in the making of a work is when you appreciate it has a life >> of its own - that you are making choices you would not otherwise of >> contemplated. >> >> The writers who were perhaps most eloquent in reflecting on this condition >> were Bataille and Marcuse. >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> >> On 02/05/2011 23:50, "Ruth Catlow" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Martha, Simon and Renee for your positive comments, >>> >>> Simon thanks for the reminder about the value of removing things- very >>> true!! >>> >>> how do you mean- subversive? >>> >>> : ) >>> Ruth >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Simon Biggs <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected], NetBehaviour for networked distributed >>> creativity <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] some landscapes >>> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 21:37:51 +0100 >>> >>> >>> Hi Ruth >>> >>> I agree - except when drawing operates as a transcendent or subversive >>> activity. Then you want it to operate on its own (as far as it can). Of >>> course, this ideal is not possible but taking things away is as valuable as >>> putting things in. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> On 02/05/2011 19:21, "Ruth Catlow" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Simon, >>>> I remember being taught something similar when I was in art school. >>>> It was useful- because it instils a discipline of looking. >>>> >>>> But it shouldn't be definitive. >>>> >>>> I think that drawing is something that first puts your eyes, hands, >>>> imagination, memory, attitudes, emotions, aspirations, and internal >>>> streams of consciousness in conversation with each other - and then in >>>> conversation with others. >>>> >>>> : ) >>>> Ruth >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Simon Biggs <[email protected]> >>>> Reply-to: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] some landscapes >>>> Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 19:02:41 +0100 >>>> >>>> >>>> The mantra I ask my 11 year old son to remember is that drawing is >>>> something >>>> you do with your eyes - and the hand follows. When he takes the time, like >>>> a >>>> day to do a still life of flowers, he can produce exquisite images. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/05/2011 18:15, "tom.corby" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lovely drawings Ruth. >>>>> I started drawing again last year, it's a wonderful process and >>>>> inherently discursive as it *forces* you to see the world as a series of >>>>> relationships. >>>>> >>>>> Great stuff. >>>>> >>>>> On 02/05/2011 12:26, Ruth Catlow wrote: >>>>>> Hello neighbours, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just back from a couple of weeks in the countryside - without an >>>>>> Internet connection. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here I have blogged some drawings, photographs and videos that I made >>>>>> while I was there. >>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/blog/ruth-catlow/landscape-natureculture >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> : ) >>>>>> Ruth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>>> >>>> Simon Biggs >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> Simon Biggs >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>> >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> [email protected] >> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >> >> [email protected] >> http://www.elmcip.net/ >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs [email protected] http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ [email protected] http://www.elmcip.net/ http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ _______________________________________________ NetBehaviour mailing list [email protected] http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
