There are always a few, but far too few to make a correction in direction.
-Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: bob catchpole
To: Joel Weishaus ; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The End of Growth
Joel,
It's hard to find fault in what you say. Yet it seems to me your illuminating
explanation is impressive proof of our ability to learn from mistakes!
Best,
Bob
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From: Joel Weishaus <[email protected]>
To: Netbehaviour <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011, 19:42
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The End of Growth
Bob;
Since you took the time to reply, here is an elucidation.
Every since the West adopted a Sky God, who created a world outside
himself, and then, as the primary Western myth goes, gave humans dominion over
it, in culture and economy we have been separate from nature. This is where the
problem begins. If you follow American politics, we are "still crazy after all
these years."
Meanwhile, our beloved sciences work to understand natural law in order to
control it, not to adopt it. One of the consequences of this is that we are
stuck in the ego's, and capitalism's, dream of technological solutions. Green
businesses, green buildings, green T-shirts. Unfortunately, we don't learn from
our mistakes. Thus, as Maurice Blanchot wrote, "There is only the disaster."
On the bright side, Dark Times are when artists are most needed., gifted
people who have "Cezanne's anxiety."
Best,
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: bob catchpole
To: Joel Weishaus ; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The End of Growth
Joel Weishaus wrote:
Humans have always been saved by nature, not the other way around.
You're right Joel, but not in the way you suggest. Humans have always
been part of nature. We're one of nature's wonderful creations. Why would
nature imbue humans with imagination and the capacity to learn from mistakes if
not to use it?
Bob
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From: Joel Weishaus <[email protected]>
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011, 18:06
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The End of Growth
If economies were run by sane grown-ups, instead of political hacks
only
interested in retaining their own power, lifestyle, and infantile
fantasties, we could talk about such things as a steady state economy,
or
even how to contain human population growth, which is at the core of
the
planet's problems. At this point, however--and we've been here many
times
before--the only thing that's going to save us, ironically, is a steady
state of disasters. No amount of "green technology" will make a
significant
change in direction. Humans have always been saved by nature, not the
other
way around.
-Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: "dave miller" <[email protected]>
To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 7:41 AM
Subject: [NetBehaviour] The End of Growth
Perpetual economic growth is neither possible nor desirable. Growth,
especially in wealthy nations, is already causing more problems than
it solves.
Recession isn't sustainable or healthy either. The positive,
sustainable alternative is a steady state economy.
http://steadystate.org/
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