Hi Paul,
And, it could be your positive example ;-)
wishing you well.
marc
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:28 AM, marc garrett
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Well, Marina Abramovic''s work will survive --- however, not
because of quality but because of the power systems in place to
make history happen for artists who adhere to the role and myth of
genius, it is all part of the inside joke for those who rule the
'propriety based' art world.
Or her work will survive in its cultural resonance because even in the
smallest intervention, before fame made her an icon, there was
sufficient strength and luminosity to her work to affect people. Such
resonance by no means implies a pile of handsome coffee table books or
a sheaf of academic papers---it only suggests that art changes people,
in some measure, directly, in their lives.
-- Paul
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:28 AM, marc garrett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
Hi Michael & Annie,
> your kindness does you credit but I do think there absolutely
has to be
>space for humour, even sharply parodic or satirical humour in
art. If the
>work is solid it will survive it.
Well, Marina Abramovic''s work will survive --- however, not
because of quality but because of the power systems in place to
make history happen for artists who adhere to the role and myth of
genius, it is all part of the inside joke for those who rule the
'propriety based' art world.
>Ironically the various satirical japes she has engendered help to
>confirm her in this role.
Sadly, this may be true ;-(
wishing you well.
marc
> HI Annie
> your kindness does you credit but I do think there absolutely
has to be space for humour, even sharply parodic or satirical
humour in art. If the work is solid it will survive it.
> An interesting question is why MA and not you. I would venture:
> (1) You are deeply serious about your work but you don't give
off the aroma of pious smugness which I'm afraid for me MA does.
> (2) Although you set up rigorous structures in your work you are
open to surprise, to human frailty and intervention ( indeed I'd
argue that it is one of your central themes) - you *trust* people
- MA shuts out the intervention of others in her Serpentine piece
- people have to give up phones, cameras, whatever at the door.
This particular response ( the pug piece) comes as no surprise to
me. I had given some thought to how one might assert the rights of
the audience ( including those of other artists -the right to
record, to think contrary thoguhts and act upon them &c) vis a
vis the Sepentine performance but couldn't think of anything that
either wouldn't involve me getting arrested or would cost too much.
> (3) MA is an art superstar/celebrity. My starting point is that
someone in this extraordinarily unnatural & privileged position
has to repeatedly prove that they are worth it. Ironically the
various satirical japes she has engendered help to confirm her in
this role.
> cheers
> michael
> From: Annie Abrahams <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] MARINA ABRAMOPUG the genius!
> I wouldn't like to be made fun of like this, would you?
>
> M A made some errors, but the performance this is referring too
was good as far as I am concerned
> Best
> Annie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM, helen varley jamieson
<[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> it's great :)
>
> On 21/08/14 11:19 AM, marc garrett wrote:
>> MARINA ABRAMOPUG
>>
>> The 'official' genius performance artist at Serpentine |
best show yet ;-)
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HI Annie
your kindness does you credit but I do think there absolutely has
to be space for humour, even sharply parodic or satirical humour
in art. If the work is solid it will survive it.
An interesting question is why MA and not you. I would venture:
(1) You are deeply serious about your work but you don't give off
the aroma of pious smugness which I'm afraid for me MA does.
(2) Although you set up rigorous structures in your work you are
open to surprise, to human frailty and intervention ( indeed I'd
argue that it is one of your central themes) - you *trust* people
- MA shuts out the intervention of others in her Serpentine piece
- people have to give up phones, cameras, whatever at the door.
This particular response ( the pug piece) comes as no surprise to
me. I had given some thought to how one might assert the rights
of the audience ( including those of other artists -the right to
record, to think contrary thoguhts and act upon them &c) vis a
vis the Sepentine performance but couldn't think of anything that
either wouldn't involve me getting arrested or would cost too much.
(3) MA is an art superstar/celebrity. My starting point is that
someone in this extraordinarily unnatural & privileged position
has to repeatedly prove that they are worth it. Ironically the
various satirical japes she has engendered help to confirm her in
this role.
cheers
michael
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*From:* Annie Abrahams <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*To:* NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
<[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:22 PM
*Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] MARINA ABRAMOPUG the genius!
I wouldn't like to be made fun of like this, would you?
M A made some errors, but the performance this is referring too
was good as far as I am concerned
Best
Annie
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:27 PM, helen varley jamieson
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
it's great :)
On 21/08/14 11:19 AM, marc garrett wrote:
MARINA ABRAMOPUG
The 'official' genius performance artist at Serpentine |
best show yet ;-)
g
More...
http://go.shr.lc/1w2Alcp
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