>>>> "What are we, as NetArtizens doing/writing/ about it (when the land >>>>is scorched from war and climate change)? I think this is critical, >>>>fundamental."
@Alan, what we are doing about it, here, is opening up lines of communication. In a world where negotiation and conflict resolution are upended by unreasonable geo-political differences and the refusal to speak openly, honestly, and directly: we as #netartizens can be a **model** (and yes, that¹s essentially the role of the artist to model) by engaging one another under the radar, speaking out, openly with our work & our (net)work & our voices, to help paint + perform + mediate new ideas, words and portraits of **our** vision of humanity. We have to speak in order to be heard. On 3/3/15, 1:15 PM, "Alan Sondheim" <[email protected]> wrote: > >What happens when these spaces disappear? They've always been entangled. >Take Syria, today (literally researched released today) postulates that >the war/s there are in part the result of climate change. Who will be >physical when the land is scorched? And perhaps more to the point, what >are we, as NetArtizens doing/writing/ about it? I think this is critical, >fundamental. > >On the other point, I don't find the world divided in any sense into >three >spaces; there are any number of divisions that might or might not be >made, >and I think they obscure the entanglements and fuzzy boundaries we all >live within (for example, ourselves and everything else, as microbial >life). For me, that neatness has disappeared, just as "real" and >"virtual" >seem still to be inauthentic categories; when amoeba can learn, without >the presence of a nervous system, what world are they living in? What >world are we? I remember von Foerster defining life as fundamentally >characterized by negation, for example, logic and categorization all the >way down. > >- Alan > >On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Randall Packer wrote: > >> Alan, networked space, or ?the third space? as I like to call it, is the >> world we are gravitating towards (no pun intended). I am always >>surprised >> the degree to which we forget or don?t pay attention to whether we are >> occupying the first space (physical world) or the third space. (by the >> way, the second space is the representational/symbolic world). We are >> losing the distinction between the real and the virtual, the two melding >> together in a kind of ?post reality.? I think for future generations the >> distinction will no longer matter. Consider that whichever space we are >> operating in, we will always occupy real, physical space, but our >> interactions will increasingly be situated on the network: just like >>right >> now, as we communicate through this list. So I would disagree that we >> can?t prepare, perhaps what it means to be a netartizen is to be >> self-critical and self-aware about the evolution from the first to the >> third space. The preparation is in realizing its inevitable and its >>real. >> >> >> "The digital, I think, is unbearably fragile; not only is privacy lost, >> but >> we are not prepared, and can't prepare, for the attacks and corrosion to >> come; instead, we grant these worlds a solidity they don't have, never >> have had." >> >> >> >> On 3/3/15, 12:28 AM, "Alan Sondheim" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hi, a few comments here. My own work is a continuous production which >>>at >>> one time I characterized as an ongoing meditation on cyberspace; at >>>this >>> point I see "real" and "virtual" inauthentic (in Adorno's sense), see >>>the >>> body as inherently entangled among symbolic systems which have always >>> been >>> with us, see culture ("real" and "virtual") as characteristic of >>> organisms >>> in general, and see abjection/annihilation as increasing endemic in the >>> world. It's this last I was trying to address; I wrote a text, sent it >>> through od into hex, mangled the hex, etc.; the main point for me is >>>the >>> multiplication by zero, the annihilation of difference as the world is >>> subsumed and flattened. This in fact has been the focus of my work for >>>a >>> while now, summed up by the phrase (which is also the title of a >>>month's >>> dialog on empyre, that was moderated by Johannes Birringer and myself) >>> ISIS, Absolute Terror, Performance - ISIS replaceable by any thing, >>> group, >>> etc. insistent on the scorched earth of scorched earth, the elimination >>> of >>> culture, difference, the production of genocide and the simultaneous >>> erasure of that production beneath the sign of what? capital, religion, >>> ideology, etc. So I use technologies and networking to open up, across >>> them, the plateaus of urgent response to a crisis which, with >>>increasing >>> population, temperature, and species extinctions, is bound to dominate, >>> if >>> not eliminate, us all. >>> >>> I suppose in that sense I'm not a netartizen; I grovel around the real, >>> trying to deal with issues of slaughter, unutterable pain, anguish, and >>> so >>> I probably repeat myself endlessly in this manner. >>> >>> The digital, I think, is unbearably fragile; not only is privacy lost, >>> but >>> we are not prepared, and can't prepare, for the attacks and corrosion >>>to >>> come; instead, we grant these worlds a solidity they don't have, never >>> have had. >>> >>> - Alan, and thank you for the opportunity to respond. >>> >>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Randall Packer wrote: >>> >>>> I am intrigued by Alan Sondheim?s response to our NetArtizens call >>>>with >>>> a >>>> reference to cultural heritage as a sequence of datapoints, i.e.: >>>> >>>> 0000000067141066147020145071157060440063556066145063040* >>>> 0000020071157072040062550062563061040064545063556020163* >>>> 0000040067543062555072040071150072557064147060440074556* >>>> >>>> Here are some questions to consider: >>>> >>>> Are we in fact producing a cultural history that emanates from the >>>> language of computers? Are the cultural references of today >>>>increasingly >>>> coded in numerical values that will need to be compiled and encoded in >>>> the >>>> far future by curious historians of the 21st century? What in fact are >>>> we >>>> leaving behind for future generations on our hard drives and cloud >>>> repositories? And how will the technological culture of today be >>>>viewed >>>> when these values are no longer decipherable. Are we in fact erasing >>>>our >>>> historical past as we create it for the digital future? >>>> >>>> Randall >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/2/15, 11:07 AM, "ruth catlow" <[email protected]> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear NBers >>>>> >>>>> You can see some early submissions to 0p3nR3p0 here >>>>> http://0p3nr3p0.net/show/netartizens >>>>> >>>>> I have been tweeting some of them to twitter.com/netartizens using >>>>>the >>>>> #netartizens hashtag. >>>>> >>>>> Check them out. >>>>> >>>>> Send @Lowpolybot your images for auto-asbtract low-polygon artworks >>>>>by >>>>> @quasimondo http://bit.ly/18EPVBG. #netartizens >>>>> >>>>> net art expressionism or glitchart? - D!G!t4L.DUMP!ng.GR0UND by >>>>> @domibarra http://bit.ly/1DvQAwN #netartizens >>>>> >>>>> The Camera in the Mirror by Mario Santamaria: Google robot sees >>>>>itself >>>>> reflected in the mirror. http://bit.ly/1APnn2z #netartizens >>>>> >>>>> Cultural Heritage by @alansondheim http://www.alansondheim.org/ch.png >>>>> #netartizens >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Ruth >>>>> >>>>> The NetArtizens Project >>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02/03/15 13:30, Randall Packer wrote: >>>>>> Greetings Everyone: >>>>>> >>>>>> First, thank you Marc & Ruth, along with Nick Briz & Joseph Chiocchi >>>>>> from >>>>>> 0p3nr3p0.net, who have been working for the past weeks to create the >>>>>> NetArtizens Project, which begins today and culminates with the Art >>>>>>of >>>>>> the >>>>>> Networked Practice | Online Symposium (March 31 ? April 2). >>>>>> >>>>>> So to begin the conversation, what does it mean to be a NetArtizen? >>>>>> That >>>>>> is the subject at hand over the next month, not to be defined by us, >>>>>> but >>>>>> fleshed out in in this space through all the varying perspectives >>>>>>that >>>>>> make up this community. >>>>>> >>>>>> And furthermore, as NetArtizens, we ask: how has your practice as an >>>>>> artist, educator, writer scholar & activist been shaped / catalyzed >>>>>>/ >>>>>> transformed / by your use of the network? How has the Net altered >>>>>>the >>>>>> creation, contextualization, and diffusion of your work? How has the >>>>>> Net >>>>>> impacted your studio process? And finally, in reference to this >>>>>> forum, >>>>>> what are the various ?net behaviours? that result in the immersion & >>>>>> flow >>>>>> of media creation, research, and information distribution that we >>>>>> participate in each and every day via the network? >>>>>> >>>>>> As we consider and discuss these questions (and more!), we approach >>>>>> the >>>>>> NetArtizens Project as an opportunity to experiment in the power of >>>>>> the >>>>>> network to catalyze collective narrative. As NetArtizens, we have >>>>>>the >>>>>> means to tell our stories, share our work, debate our opinions - not >>>>>> just >>>>>> as individual broadcasters speaking to the multitude ? but >>>>>> collaboratively >>>>>> in a hyper-distributed, socially-engaged, many-to-many exchange of >>>>>> ideas >>>>>> and opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> We invite you to explore the NetArtizens Project, survey the >>>>>>landscape >>>>>> of >>>>>> discourse & production we have provided, and become a >>>>>> ?super-participant? >>>>>> by shaping & sharing & disseminating the ongoing narrative. If the >>>>>> flow >>>>>> of >>>>>> this project becomes a drowning experience, we ask that you embrace >>>>>> and >>>>>> critique it! That?s the only way we?ll come to terms and fully grasp >>>>>> the >>>>>> meaning of our evolving role as NetArtizens. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Randall >>>>>> >>>>>> The NetArtizens Project >>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The Art of the Networked Practice | Online Symposium >>>>>> http://oss.adm.ntu.edu.sg/symposium2015/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Reportage from the Aesthetic Edge >>>>>> http://www.randallpacker.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/2/15, 7:00 AM, "ruth catlow"<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Netbehaviourists, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is our pleasure to introduce Randall Packer, composer, artist, >>>>>>> writer, educator, former Secretary of the US Department of Art & >>>>>>> Technology, and convener of the upcoming Art of Networked Practice >>>>>>>| >>>>>>> Online Symposium (31 March 31 ? 2 April 2015). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have invited Randall to act as host and moderator for The >>>>>>> NetArtizens >>>>>>> Project, a month of discourse and artistic production across 3 >>>>>>> network >>>>>>> channels including our very own Netbehaviour discussion list, >>>>>>> beginning >>>>>>> right here, right now, and leading up to the symposium. You are >>>>>>>also >>>>>>> invited to contribute to the NetArtizens Open Online Exhibition, an >>>>>>> evolving showcase of works submitted between March 2 ? April 2, >>>>>>>2015. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For more information about The NetArtizens Project and how to >>>>>>> participate:http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We invite you all to join us to explore, express, and debate the >>>>>>>role >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the network in our individual and collective practices as artists, >>>>>>> scholars, educators, and citizens of the Net. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The NetArtizens Project is devised by Furtherfield in collaboration >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> Nick Briz & Joseph Chiochhi. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RELEVANT LINKS: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Randall Packer >>>>>>> http://www.randallpacker.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The NetArtizens Project >>>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/netartizens/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Art of the Networked Practice | Online Symposium >>>>>>> http://oss.adm.ntu.edu.sg/symposium2015/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Randall will say more about it now...! >>>>>>> Can't wait to see what happens!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marc, Ruth and the Furtherfield Crew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A living, breathing, thriving networked neighbourhood - proud of >>>>>>>free >>>>>>> culture, claiming it with others ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Furtherfield ? online arts community, platforms for creating, >>>>>>> viewing, >>>>>>> discussing and learning about experimental practices at the >>>>>>> intersections of art, technology and social change. >>>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reviews, articles, interviewshttp://www.furtherfield.org/features >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Furtherfield Gallery ? 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