1) Alan, thank you so much for the response. Keep well, we need you. 2) Yes, there is too much fuzziness in my post, I need to break it out into separate questions.
3) I like Tiqquan's other work quite a lot. I read Theory of a Young Girl and was not sure what to make of it. Will review it again. 4) Based on recently posted podcast, I have been working through Adorno. So, yes, abject suffering, problematic and abject substance - but I still struggle to translate into images. I need to study it a bit more. There is so much suffering in fashion... 5) My essay attempts to paint rationality as the context, with formal Aristotelian logic, images and others as merely unique kinds of rationality. The essay doesn't provide a foundation for how rationality adjudicates, but rather than a Russell/Whitehead position, I would ground rationality in persuasion and action, like Virilio might. 6) How did you experience the boards? Do you have a pinterest account? Lets start there. In appreciation, Bz On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > Apologies, fuzzy, meant Philosophical Investigations, I jumped for some > reason to Husserl, bleariness my only excuse - Alan > > > > On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >> >> From: BishopZ <[email protected]> >> >> Hi Bishop - I found the pinterest boards fascinating; there seemed to be >> two things at work in them - in the first, bwo, the representations seemed >> to emphasize multiplicities and a certain surplus economics; for me, bwo >> relate more to ISIS/terror, annihilation to the point that what's left is a >> form of problematic and abject substance, which also ties into catatonia. >> The style-a-desire-machine plays into the images of young models, again, a >> surplus, and the style itself doesn't seem deconstructed - you know the >> book, Preliminary Materials for a Theory of the Young-Girl - which also >> seems limited and problematic and on the other hand related to the pinterest >> images. The theory/essay you wrote seems terrific; I have to read it again >> (I'm suffering from a very resistant sickness at the moment, apologies), in >> a couple of days. I do realize I may be missing something here - >> >> I can see a _return to logic_ with programming, but the field of logic >> itself has been traditionally messy - fuzzy logics, intuitionist logics, >> Piaget's proposotional logics, etc - to the extent that even in Witt's TLP, >> the logical system based on the sheffer stroke has an enormous amount of >> arbitrariness in it that led to the Logical Investigations, which have very >> little to do w/ traditional logic. So when you have "However, up until the >> last 20 years, logic has been the anchor of written language. The hegemony >> of logic is not that written language is better than other mediums of >> expression, but that logic was the most accurate form of rationality. >> Written language just happened to be better at logic than speech." - I don't >> see it, because I'm not sure what "logic" means in this context - the >> Russell/Whitehead approach proved inadeqate by the early decades of the 20th >> century w/ all those anomalies. I haven't seen logic used otherwise, maybe >> in Quine on quotations, I don't know; in any case the Aristotelian stuff was >> thrown out way earlier. I hope I'm making sense here. Now of course one can >> talk about the logic of a computer program and even its surface layers >> (upper layers of protocol suites where pretty much anything and anyone can >> go), and that gives an insight into what might be thought of as a dark >> scaffolding which is of great interest, that might even be able to be >> related to early universe cosmology, but I'm probably wrong here - >> >> thanks! Alan >> >> >> >> Alan correctly called me out a few conversations ago - I am an arm >> chair Deleuze interpreter. >> >> I am interested in difference between image logic, spoken logic and >> written logic. I published an essay about it here: >> http://bishopz.com/post/7606423793/language-and-computers >> >> I put together two boards that relate to Deleuze. >> >> One I believe relates to the original concept, >> the other I believe to be a conflation of the intent of the original >> concept, >> >> Body Without Organs: >> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-body-without-organs/ >> >> Desire Machine: >> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-a-desire-machine/ >> >> Does anyone have more domain knowledge with this? >> >> Can you tell me, in translating the written work of Deleuze into the >> image logic of contemporary society, how are those concepts expressed, >> visually, on medium that are commonly used? >> >> Not possible, or is there some image logic to Deleuze? 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