I was wondering why I hadn't seen this... and then Pintrest attacked my screen with login and sign-up pop-ups. I think I passed out for a short while and then closed the windows. Sounds interesting, especially given the extremely striated nature of Pintrest's presentation. I'd like to see how you present Deleuzian smooth space within Pintrest. I might even create an account to see it.
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I do have an account; I rarely use it, but it worked well. Re: Tiqqun, I > didn't like the Young Girl piece - thought it needed more depth, > abjection, less fashion, but it was a start. The problem w/suffering in > fashion (I've known a lot of people in the industry) is that the suffering > is also within fashiion; it's a closed chaotic system. > > Rationality is so tricky, I think; it can reference so many things. Please > say more re: Virilio? > > Thanks!, Alan > > On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, BishopZ wrote: > > > 1) Alan, thank you so much for the response. Keep well, we need you. > > > > 2) Yes, there is too much fuzziness in my post, I need to break it out > > into separate questions. > > > > 3) I like Tiqquan's other work quite a lot. I read Theory of a Young > > Girl and was not sure what to make of it. Will review it again. > > > > 4) Based on recently posted podcast, I have been working through > > Adorno. So, yes, abject suffering, problematic and abject substance - > > but I still struggle to translate into images. I need to study it a > > bit more. There is so much suffering in fashion... > > > > 5) My essay attempts to paint rationality as the context, with formal > > Aristotelian logic, images and others as merely unique kinds of > > rationality. The essay doesn't provide a foundation for how > > rationality adjudicates, but rather than a Russell/Whitehead position, > > I would ground rationality in persuasion and action, like Virilio > > might. > > > > 6) How did you experience the boards? Do you have a pinterest account? > > Lets start there. > > > > In appreciation, > > Bz > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Alan Sondheim <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Apologies, fuzzy, meant Philosophical Investigations, I jumped for some > >> reason to Husserl, bleariness my only excuse - Alan > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> From: BishopZ <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> Hi Bishop - I found the pinterest boards fascinating; there seemed to > be > >>> two things at work in them - in the first, bwo, the representations > seemed > >>> to emphasize multiplicities and a certain surplus economics; for me, > bwo > >>> relate more to ISIS/terror, annihilation to the point that what's left > is a > >>> form of problematic and abject substance, which also ties into > catatonia. > >>> The style-a-desire-machine plays into the images of young models, > again, a > >>> surplus, and the style itself doesn't seem deconstructed - you know the > >>> book, Preliminary Materials for a Theory of the Young-Girl - which also > >>> seems limited and problematic and on the other hand related to the > pinterest > >>> images. The theory/essay you wrote seems terrific; I have to read it > again > >>> (I'm suffering from a very resistant sickness at the moment, > apologies), in > >>> a couple of days. I do realize I may be missing something here - > >>> > >>> I can see a _return to logic_ with programming, but the field of logic > >>> itself has been traditionally messy - fuzzy logics, intuitionist > logics, > >>> Piaget's proposotional logics, etc - to the extent that even in Witt's > TLP, > >>> the logical system based on the sheffer stroke has an enormous amount > of > >>> arbitrariness in it that led to the Logical Investigations, which have > very > >>> little to do w/ traditional logic. So when you have "However, up until > the > >>> last 20 years, logic has been the anchor of written language. The > hegemony > >>> of logic is not that written language is better than other mediums of > >>> expression, but that logic was the most accurate form of rationality. > >>> Written language just happened to be better at logic than speech." - I > don't > >>> see it, because I'm not sure what "logic" means in this context - the > >>> Russell/Whitehead approach proved inadeqate by the early decades of > the 20th > >>> century w/ all those anomalies. I haven't seen logic used otherwise, > maybe > >>> in Quine on quotations, I don't know; in any case the Aristotelian > stuff was > >>> thrown out way earlier. I hope I'm making sense here. Now of course > one can > >>> talk about the logic of a computer program and even its surface layers > >>> (upper layers of protocol suites where pretty much anything and anyone > can > >>> go), and that gives an insight into what might be thought of as a dark > >>> scaffolding which is of great interest, that might even be able to be > >>> related to early universe cosmology, but I'm probably wrong here - > >>> > >>> thanks! Alan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Alan correctly called me out a few conversations ago - I am an arm > >>> chair Deleuze interpreter. > >>> > >>> I am interested in difference between image logic, spoken logic and > >>> written logic. I published an essay about it here: > >>> http://bishopz.com/post/7606423793/language-and-computers > >>> > >>> I put together two boards that relate to Deleuze. > >>> > >>> One I believe relates to the original concept, > >>> the other I believe to be a conflation of the intent of the original > >>> concept, > >>> > >>> Body Without Organs: > >>> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-body-without-organs/ > >>> > >>> Desire Machine: > >>> https://www.pinterest.com/eduatx/style-a-desire-machine/ > >>> > >>> Does anyone have more domain knowledge with this? > >>> > >>> Can you tell me, in translating the written work of Deleuze into the > >>> image logic of contemporary society, how are those concepts expressed, > >>> visually, on medium that are commonly used? > >>> > >>> Not possible, or is there some image logic to Deleuze? 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