dear all
this could be a complex conversation, if opened up to those, especially, who
are concerned in fact,
but cannot access this network No refugees are posting here. yes?
so what are we discussing? I am sorry i brought it up, as we are fumbling,
obviously.
The refugee question, I think, for most of us here is not autobiographical as
such.
The feelgood reports, Ruth, are marginal, and disorienting. I do not really
think they meet the reality. The Jasmina Tesanovic blog, Ana, I think, is
sentimental, sorry, we are not "all refugees" and ex-prisoners.
some are, like yourself, but I am not sure we can claim the slogan, 'nosotros
somos the 70 dead people in the truck in Austria.' We cannot, and thus we
should not pretend. And we quiet.
it would be silly. too many have died, and drowned.
The refugees and migrants, expected to arrive, for example, in the Federal
Republic of Germany this year in 2015, are 800,000. Eight hundred thousand.
You speak of 65 in Uruguay?
Already, at the small village next to mine, in the southwest of Germany
(Saarland), the camp for the arrived migrants has spilled over, the situation
may soon become unmanageable; there is lack of food, medicine, hospitality
funds, toilets, clothes, and psychological care, etc. How do you care for
people who have fled wars? displacement, rape and all kinds of violence,
aggression, humiliation?
There is no unrest, or violence, as in other areas, in Lebach, the village next
door , and I am relieved about about that, but volunteer help is stretched,
and there are only 1865 migrants, in that small village.
the village as 12, 500 inhabitants,
In Germany, the political opinion tends to suggest that migration (the hundreds
of thousands) can be managed. Why does the Uk not think the same, or France?
Hungary? Austria? Greece has many refugees arrive on their islands! and you
recall that Greece was in the news all through the summer. Their citizens try
to help. I applaud that.
and also my neighborhood village. They are courageous.
so how will we discuss the great migration, the new racism and resentment
towards foreigners, the political debates, the closing of borders, tunnels?
how do we discuss (what the financial newspaper columns report) the trade of
human refugees, the coyotes apparently charging 12,000 Euros if you flee from
Syria to Germany or Belgium,:
the 16 billion euros of human body smuggle that coyotes earned in 2014-15:
1,2 million refugees, they pay for their transport, and average charge for
being smuggled through to Northern Europe is 12,000 Euros? so the economics of
human trade is 1,2 billion>? (that was the figure quoted in FAZ, 29 August page
19, economics section ("Die gefaehrlichste Reiseroute der Welt").
how do yoi think about these figures?
regards
Johannes Birringer
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Thanks Ruth! Actually Uruguay has taken 65 Syrian refugees and six former
prisoners from Guantanamo, in a country with 3 million inhabitants they make a
difference.
Ana
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 7:35 AM, ruth catlow
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thank you Ana and Michael for your testimonies and observations.
I just saw this
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/08/25/everyday-people-put-solidarity-into-action-helping-refugees-in-greece/
about action on the ground in response to the refugees.
We desperately need political solutions AND it's very valuable to have evidence
of the many different ways that people find to act in dignity and in
straightforward solidarity with each other.
cheers
Ruth
On 28/08/15 18:07, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
Absolutely - I don't think it's a male female thing though. Racist
scapegoating is a very convenient way of distracting people and dividing them.
I hope it's clear, Ana, that my first e mail meant exactly what it said - we
should open the borders -there is enough money to wage imperialist wars, enough
money for obscene bonuses for bankers, so there is enough money to feed, clothe
house , educate and keep healthy both established inhabitants and newcomers...
cheers
michael
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I has been a refugee for many years. I spent four years in jail for political
reasons (was member of a gerilla group, Tupamaros) and was deported to Sweden
in 1978. The Swedes paid me one year study of the language and gave me an apt
to rent. After one year I was on my own, got a job as a teacher and started a
publisher house with some friends. I became a writer and an anthropologist,
paid my taxes and never more needed any support.
Four years ago I moved back to Uruguay, tired and disapointed seeing a
xenophobe party rise. Today this party is the most popular party among men.
Their discourse is very similar to Trump's discourse in the US. And he is
popular among men. Why? Is that because the men are in control in the most
countries in the world (Angela Merkel is an exception) and feel themselves
treated by all those hundreds of thousands refugees fleeing Syria, Afganistan
and Africa?
The colonization of the whole world by Europeans has shaped the modern world,
at the beginning of the 20th century the whole Africa was owned by Germany,
England, France, Spain and Belgium. The slaves, stolen from Africa since the
16th century, built the wealth of Europa, Latinamerica and the US. Africa was
emptied of resources and ppl for several generations and centuries. Why is so
difficult to understand they want their fair share of the wealth and welfare
their ancestors paid with sweat and blood?
James Petras, a respected scholar, wrote about the Imperial Wars,
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-age-of-imperial-wars/5470957
thats the imperial wars which are making the planet an unsure place to live for
the most of us.
Another important article was written by my friend the Serbian writer Jasmina
Tesanovic, married with Bruce Sterling,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jasmina-tesanovic/we-are-all-refugees_b_8015152.html
I am the grandchild of European Spaniards and Italians fleeing the poverty in
Europe at the end of the 19th century. They were welcomed in North and South
America as working craft and fellow human in distress, why should not Europe
open the borders now? It's their historic guilt.
Ana
On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Michael Szpakowski
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Yes - the only philosophy we need on this, though, is "open the borders, let
them in!"
michael
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it's shocking to hear of so many people fleeing Syria and other countries. what
kind of world is this where they are turned away.
meanwhile in Australia, our borders are shamefully, effectively closed to
refugees, our prime minister is now considering supporting US with air strikes
in Syria and his 'border force' team are planning on checking everyone's visas
in Melbourne CBD on the weekend. it's like they think we're in 1939 Germany or
something.
I hope something can be done to help the refugees. it seems like a forced
population shift is going on atm
I haven't read the philosophers' take on it all.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/23/tony-abbott-to-decide-on-joining-fight-against-islamic-state-after-us-talks
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-28/border-force-to-check-visas-on-the-streets-of-melbourne/6732086
On 28 August 2015 at 11:19, Alan Sondheim
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which in a weird way is why I hate theory - sure the whole economy is going
towards Franciscan, everyone will wise up, I don't know how this connects to
anything but I don't know how Zizek connects to anything, all this theory,
people being slaughtered in the meantime -
- Alan, if you do get more insight into Agamben please publish, thanks
On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer wrote:
dear BishopZ you have not heard of the thousands and millions of refugees and
migrants who are flooding into northwest Europe from the middle east, africa,
and the balkans (e.g. Kosovo) ? there are more than 1.5. million refugees alone
trying to leave Syria and Iraq. Have you heard of refugee camps being attacked
by right wing radicals, who fought police in east germany last week, and the
turmoil at the camps in Calais?
strangely, philosophers are writing their comments, and today V. Agamben
published an interview calling for "Europe must collapse" and suggesting a new
refuge or exit policy, that he calls 'd?soeuvrement' or 'inoperosit?'
(destitution or deactivation of the economy, the law, biology). I have not
really a clear idea what that means, but the examples given are the Fransiccan
monks and the idea of withdrawal to poverty and automomy in a cloister. I do
not know how this connects to the US election campaign, sorry.
regards
Johannes Birringer
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