Actually, while not a solution, I think a Diaspora node would be a great experiment.
On 10/3/15, 2:05 PM, "aharon" <a...@aharonic.net> wrote: >Hiyas, > >Very interesting quick mapping of possibilities, Rob + Patrick - Cheers! > >Had some failed attempts linked with mailinglist and web oriented self >hosted "solutions".. > >* Bridge between a mailinglist where each post becomes a blog-post that is >in turn being published on a twitter-like platform (old identica, can be >done nowadays with gnu-social). >Problem was plurality of possible triggers - via email, blog, identica - >made it fun but hard for people to follow content. > >* Bridge between drupal and mailinglist. That was done via mailinglist and >drupal signup page. So when people registered in either, they were >registering in both. >The idea was that in this case, people could post to either list and/or a >drupal forum. These were interchangeable. So posts, replies etc were >published on both and people could use which ever tool. >That didn't catch up much for a few bugs and more importantly, people seem >a bit confused by the multiple platforms. Hard to tell whether a bugless >system would have caught up. > >* A meta messaging system "MEM" where users could direct messages between >tools. e.g. Say Blooby fancied email and sent stuff, Zlooby could receive >the message as a txt or a blog post, or whatever they fancied at that >time. >People could alter message retrieval as they fancied. >People could send stuff as they fancied. >The system itself MEM was centralised, but people's tools were as they >might want. All that needed was api registration. > >(For me the interesting bit was that each activity was to create a string >that could be expressed in audio and lighting intensity/colour >instructions. Hence the networking was evolving visceral materials..) > >Anyhow, MEM's funding went boom.. > >* A different approach entirely is that which we took in the recent >SafeShare. >A network for a very specific community, developed with the community >members in bucfp.org ) The development through workshops that teased out >requirementts, offered possible solutions and through usage feedback, we >opted for temporary solutions to begin with. The idea is that this will >assist in initial usage and as the system is used more, we could alter it >later. (perhaps even via more similar workshops if needed..) > >Not sure this is applicable here, because there is much broader >participation. >However it might be an idea to use the need for a change as an opening to >try various solutions live with the people involved? A sort of >evolutionary approach? > >Indeed, I wonder how a change in the system might actually occur? A >changing day? > >Apologies for too many questions possibly.. Hopefully some are apt. > >Probably the gist of this is that it seems altering the communication >system and platforms can be a tricky process and it would be a shame to >lose people as a result. > >Cheers and a fab weekend! > >aharon >xx > >PS >Any thoughts re a diaspora node..? > > > > >On Sat, October 3, 2015 07:09, Patrick Lichty wrote: >> Rob, >> I think that as usual, you¹re brilliant. The metric tracking idea seems >> OK, maybe, but might be a bit of a red herring. >> >> >> All: >> I think that Furtherfield is at a pivotal moment similar to the >> institutionalization moment of Rhizome, where it asked; ³How can we have >> maximum imapact/reach, etc?² >> >> I know I¹m conflating a LOT of terms here, but I think my core argument >> is sound. I realize that the impetus here is to bring FF goodness to >> larger groups and spread light in the jungle of other art communities. >> However, >> a few things to consider. >> >> So, what happened? In my conversation with the execs there over time, >> There was an admission that the lists were forumized to facilitate >> institutional discourse, and Michael Connor even admitted to not >>focusing >> on community, and with the cutbacks, I¹ll be curious to see what Zach >> does. >> >> Secondly, regarding bridge-building - this relates to serving inter >> community needs. An extreme example is my conversation with Cao Fei >>during >> the building of RMB City in Second Life. She had no idea of the >> necessity for community engagement before our conversation; she just >> assumed that people would know who she was and flock to the servers. >>What >> she didn¹t realize was that Sl and the Artworld are totally different >> birds. >> >> Furherfield is in a much better position in that the ³new media² (sic) >> community, as shown in my (hopefully) upcoming late review of ISEA that >>the >> Contemporary and the Tech Media artworlds are less divergent than >> ever, probably (urrr�) thanks to the postinternets. ISEA 2015 showed >>that >> the art historical traditions are concurrent at this time, and piercing >> the membrane might be relatively easy. >> >> Back to Rhizome. >> >> >> I think that Rhizome¹s path was a Faustian bargain. Its decentering >>from >> the community model, IMO, is coming to roost as the institutions are >> giving it less resources (and isn¹t it even outside of the NuMu now?), >> and there isn¹t a community except for the young blue-chips to rely on. >> First, withFF¹s punk roots, I doubt that many of the pitfalls that beset >> R >> will hit FF. And there is a valid question - how does FF continue to >> evolve without neglecting its core values? Good question. >> >> And I¹ll be selfish in that although I am not terribly active, the list >> is my main umbilical to the community at this time, and I want it to >>stay a >> list. I¹mnot against outreaches, don¹t think that the list should just >>be >> a haven for hoary New Media artists, but on the other hand, I feel that >> the list has a good community that is pretty healthy. I also think >>there >> are good models like Nettime that are excellent cases to defend the >> form, and� >> >> For Powers¹ Sake, The Well??? >> >> >> There¹s is a case for the power of Ur-Forums and their continued power. >> My buds Lebkowsky and Sterling rock the cybersphere every year from a >> anciently formatted mail thread there every year through The State of >>the >> World every year. >> >> >> I think FF has a precious resource in its list, and I¹m not in favor of >> much more than incremental change. The axiom of that which evolves dies >> doesn¹t necessarily fit here, as it¹s a matter of community investiture >> rather than logistics. Looking at the list institutionally rather than >> socially is a salient debate to have, and I don¹t want to lose the sense >> of community I have here. This is one of the last informal venues I >>have >> to just shoot the shit, as it were, and I think it¹s one of the few >> where you can in this format. >> >> My .02 AED... >> >> >> On 10/3/15, 9:01 AM, "Rob Myers" <r...@robmyers.org> wrote: >> >> >>> On 02/10/15 04:03 AM, ruth catlow wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Furtherfield HQ (first think Google and then try to imagine the >>>> opposite) >>> >>> An open-ended and non-enclosed structure with no basketball courts or >>> free candy vending machines? >>> >>>> Two issues >>>> 1) the cost and time associated with strategising, consulting, >>>> designing, planning and remunerating all involved, for their efforts >>>> while: future-proofing community infrastructure, caring for the >>>> archive/database. We have had some really very good and generous >>>> support from a number of people to help us understand what the process >>>> might be, but the work still needs doing...and all risks mitigated! >>>> >>>> 2) connected to the above - maintaining the connections we all have, >>>> while inviting in new and diverse (in age, background, device-loyalty, >>>> ethnicity) people. >>> >>> There are a few approaches, with different affordances and costs >>> (economic and political). >>> >>> >>> 1. Yay Walled Gardens! >>> >>> >>> Use Medium for publishing articles, hosted Discourse for mail/boards, >>> and Slack for co-ordination/chat. >>> >>> Cost: 100USD/month plus your soul. >>> Demographic: Current. >>> >>> >>> 2. All Zuck All The Time >>> >>> >>> Use Facebook Notes for publishing articles, Facebook pages for >>> discussion, and Facebook messaging for co-ordination/chat. >>> >>> Cost: Zero, plus the souls of all humanity. >>> Demographic: Previous. >>> >>> >>> 3. Current Free Software >>> >>> >>> Use Jekyll for publishing (mediated via GitLabs or at a pinch GitHub) >>> [TODO: comment system], self-hosted Discourse or Groupserver for >>> mail/boards, and an existing GNU social install or irc for co-ord/chat. >>> >>> Cost: As much as hosting costs. >>> Demographic: current. >>> >>> >>> 4. Hosted Free Software >>> >>> >>> Use Wordpress for publishing, see if lurk.org will host Netbehaviour on >>> their Groupserver install, and use an existing GNU social install or >>> irc for co-ord/chat. >>> >>> Cost: As much as the services cost, look for donations. >>> Demographic: Almost current. >>> >>> >>> >>> For any self-hosted or donated services, stick them behind Cloudflare. >>> Good for DDOS and ssl, bad for centralization. >>> >>> >>> Choice of platform is to a degree choice of audience, cultural context >>> and politics. Not in a technologically deterministic sense but in the >>> sense that different book publishers or record labels are. Change the >>> system, exploit the system, or buck the system? >>> >>> - Rob. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >NetBehaviour mailing list >NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >
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