archiving has become an art, i think, blockchain is also an archive, artists can very well (continue) focusing on experimenting with archiving vs ephemerality, loss and chaos will continue. collecting art might also have become an art for that matter, building on loss and chaos..
i think art and artists definitely should resist definition, or make that definition part of the art, ie. have it for breakfast. don't rely on the future, let it function freely without abiding anywhere or in anything. dematerialization is in the eye of the beholder. -- bjørn http://noemata.net On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Annie Abrahams <bram....@gmail.com> wrote: > value of art now and in the future ..... ? > > @ Ruth, as soon as art becomes something else than a very personal quest, > it becomes something else, an economical, political, social, family asset > and then it's interest can only be discussed in that particular frame > > @Gretta in my opinion you talk about social and finally financial value > created by likes = manipulated humans and machines > > @ Helen maybe not archiving itself is important nowadays, but the > production of an image, its proliferation, multiplication and the > possibilities this creates > > my two cents > Annie > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:45 PM, ruth catlow <ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org > > wrote: > >> Ha hah! >> >> what do you mean by "value", ruth? value to whom? monetary value, >> cultural value, nostalgic value, personal value ... ?? >> >> value to anyone with a stake in the question >> >> and all of the above kinds of value and more (please proliferate) >> >> & then, what do you mean by "art" and "artists" ... >> >> every possible definition of art as defined by art lovers, critics, >> historians, machines >> and artists as defined by themselves and others >> >> h ;) >> >> But I'm not sure that is the question I was looking for! >> >> Ruth >> >> >> >> On 11.10.2017 10:51, Gretta Louw wrote: >> >> I’ve been spending a lot of time puzzling over social media lately and >> think (horrifyingly) that the value of the latter is increasingly measured >> in instagram followers - we’re not yet at the point of openly sponsored >> posts, but indirectly I think it’s already happening… >> >> >> >> >> On 11. Oct 2017, at 09:58, ruth catlow <ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org> >> wrote: >> >> Perfectly put Helen! >> Art reframed as a new asset class for fractional ownership ain't my idea >> of utopia. >> >> I have a question brewing - that I want to run by everyone - about the >> value of art and artists now and in the future. >> >> If anyone can tell me what that question is I'd be very interested to >> hear what it is;) >> >> Otherwise...soon... >> :! >> >> On 09/10/17 09:22, helen varley jamieson wrote: >> >> agree. thank goodness my art is mostly ephemeral & can't be stuck with a >> financial pin like a dead butterfly ... >> >> On 07.10.2017 02:29, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> >> >> I noticed this - >> >> "Maecenas touts itself as a blockchain platform that, according to its >> creators, will democratise access to fine art. For the first time, the >> Maecenas website enthuses, technology will allow investors, collectors and >> owners to exchange shares in paintings and sculptures instantly, akin to >> the way stocks of a company are traded today." >> >> This does NOT democratise access to art; it's nothing more than a secure >> way to protect and exchange's one investment - which plays into the notion >> of enclaving described in Mike Davis' City of Quartz (think it was written >> in the 80s). Art has to RESIST enclaving, unless one accepts useless >> decoration and connoisseurship as the only form of art worth considering. >> >> One of the amazing things about Furtherfield is, at least as far as I can >> tell, it itself is a form of resistance! I'd thank God for this, but given >> the state of things on the planet, I wouldn't want to burden Her with more >> communication. >> >> - Alan >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> -- >> helen varley jamieson >> he...@creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.upstage.org.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing >> listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> -- >> Co-founder Co-director >> Furtherfield >> >> www.furtherfield.org >> >> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >> >> Bitcoin Address 197BBaXa6M9PtHhhNTQkuHh1pVJA8RrJ2i >> >> Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, labs, & >> debates >> around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997 >> >> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee >> registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >> Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, Grand Arcade, >> Tally Ho Corner, London N12 0EH. >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing >> listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> -- >> helen varley jamieson >> he...@creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com >> http://www.upstage.org.nz >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing >> listNetBehaviour@netbehaviour.orghttp://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> -- >> Co-founder Co-director >> Furtherfield >> >> www.furtherfield.org >> >> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >> >> Bitcoin Address 197BBaXa6M9PtHhhNTQkuHh1pVJA8RrJ2i >> >> Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, labs, & >> debates >> around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997 >> >> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee >> registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >> Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, Grand Arcade, >> Tally Ho Corner, London N12 0EH. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > > > > -- > > *Qu'est-ce et pourquoi agency art ?* 12/10 18h Conférence, festival Mèq > <http://www.humaintrophumain.fr/web/events/meq-festival-%e2%80%a2-j1/>*, *hTh, > Montpellier. > *L’entrelangue à trois*, 28/10 20h Rencontre performatif > <https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2017/10/01/lentrelangue-a-trois/> avec > Christophe Beyler, Lily Robert-Foley et Annie Abrahams, Espace o25rjj > Loupian. > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >
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