Hi Annie, yes, I am but the problem is that these factors lead to who can make what work, massively impacting the landscape of art that’s available to be seen, made, experienced etc.
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Oct 2017, at 23:01, Annie Abrahams <bram....@gmail.com> wrote: > > value of art now and in the future ..... ? > > @ Ruth, as soon as art becomes something else than a very personal quest, it > becomes something else, an economical, political, social, family asset and > then it's interest can only be discussed in that particular frame > > @Gretta in my opinion you talk about social and finally financial value > created by likes = manipulated humans and machines > > @ Helen maybe not archiving itself is important nowadays, but the production > of an image, its proliferation, multiplication and the possibilities this > creates > > my two cents > Annie > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:45 PM, ruth catlow <ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org > <mailto:ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org>> wrote: > Ha hah! >> what do you mean by "value", ruth? value to whom? monetary value, cultural >> value, nostalgic value, personal value ... ?? >> > value to anyone with a stake in the question > > and all of the above kinds of value and more (please proliferate) > >> & then, what do you mean by "art" and "artists" ... > every possible definition of art as defined by art lovers, critics, > historians, machines > and artists as defined by themselves and others >> >> h ;) > But I'm not sure that is the question I was looking for! > > Ruth > > >> >> >> On 11.10.2017 10:51, Gretta Louw wrote: >>> I’ve been spending a lot of time puzzling over social media lately and >>> think (horrifyingly) that the value of the latter is increasingly measured >>> in instagram followers - we’re not yet at the point of openly sponsored >>> posts, but indirectly I think it’s already happening… >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 11. Oct 2017, at 09:58, ruth catlow <ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org >>>> <mailto:ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Perfectly put Helen! >>>> Art reframed as a new asset class for fractional ownership ain't my idea >>>> of utopia. >>>> >>>> I have a question brewing - that I want to run by everyone - about the >>>> value of art and artists now and in the future. >>>> >>>> If anyone can tell me what that question is I'd be very interested to hear >>>> what it is;) >>>> >>>> Otherwise...soon... >>>> :! >>>> >>>> On 09/10/17 09:22, helen varley jamieson wrote: >>>>> agree. thank goodness my art is mostly ephemeral & can't be stuck with a >>>>> financial pin like a dead butterfly ... >>>>> >>>>> On 07.10.2017 02:29, Alan Sondheim wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I noticed this - >>>>>> >>>>>> "Maecenas touts itself as a blockchain platform that, according to its >>>>>> creators, will democratise access to fine art. For the first time, the >>>>>> Maecenas website enthuses, technology will allow investors, collectors >>>>>> and owners to exchange shares in paintings and sculptures instantly, >>>>>> akin to the way stocks of a company are traded today." >>>>>> >>>>>> This does NOT democratise access to art; it's nothing more than a secure >>>>>> way to protect and exchange's one investment - which plays into the >>>>>> notion of enclaving described in Mike Davis' City of Quartz (think it >>>>>> was written in the 80s). Art has to RESIST enclaving, unless one accepts >>>>>> useless decoration and connoisseurship as the only form of art worth >>>>>> considering. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the amazing things about Furtherfield is, at least as far as I >>>>>> can tell, it itself is a form of resistance! I'd thank God for this, but >>>>>> given the state of things on the planet, I wouldn't want to burden Her >>>>>> with more communication. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Alan >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>>> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> helen varley jamieson >>>>> he...@creative-catalyst.com <mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com> >>>>> http://www.creative-catalyst.com <http://www.creative-catalyst.com/> >>>>> http://www.upstage.org.nz <http://www.upstage.org.nz/> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>>> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >>>> -- >>>> Co-founder Co-director >>>> Furtherfield >>>> >>>> www.furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> >>>> >>>> +44 (0) 77370 02879 >>>> >>>> Bitcoin Address 197BBaXa6M9PtHhhNTQkuHh1pVJA8RrJ2i >>>> >>>> Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, labs, & >>>> debates >>>> around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997 >>>> >>>> Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee >>>> registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. >>>> Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, Grand Arcade, >>>> Tally Ho Corner, London N12 0EH. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>>> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> >> -- >> helen varley jamieson >> he...@creative-catalyst.com <mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com> >> http://www.creative-catalyst.com <http://www.creative-catalyst.com/> >> http://www.upstage.org.nz <http://www.upstage.org.nz/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> > -- > Co-founder Co-director > Furtherfield > > www.furtherfield.org <http://www.furtherfield.org/> > > +44 (0) 77370 02879 > > Bitcoin Address 197BBaXa6M9PtHhhNTQkuHh1pVJA8RrJ2i > > Furtherfield is the UK's leading organisation for art shows, labs, & debates > around critical questions in art and technology, since 1997 > > Furtherfield is a Not-for-Profit Company limited by Guarantee > registered in England and Wales under the Company No.7005205. > Registered business address: Ballard Newman, Apex House, Grand Arcade, Tally > Ho Corner, London N12 0EH. > > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org <mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org> > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > <http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour> > > > > -- > Qu'est-ce et pourquoi agency art ? 12/10 18h Conférence, festival Mèq > <http://www.humaintrophumain.fr/web/events/meq-festival-%e2%80%a2-j1/>, hTh, > Montpellier. > > L’entrelangue à trois, 28/10 20h Rencontre performatif > <https://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2017/10/01/lentrelangue-a-trois/> avec > Christophe Beyler, Lily Robert-Foley et Annie Abrahams, Espace o25rjj Loupian. > _______________________________________________ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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