At 09:20 AM 9/28/99 -0700, Brendan Johnston wrote:
>The summary of the doclabs test is at:
>http://www.doculabs.com/Press/WebAppServer_PR.htm
>
>The PC week article is at:
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,409380,00.html
>
>Silverstream did not participate in the test.
>Microsoft was the clear performance leader in the test.
>
>My clear conclusion from the test is that run time performance on simple
>applications is a bad criteria to use for judging application servers.
>A much better assessment is support of standards.
>
>Silverstream like most other application servers has a lead over NetDynamics
>in support for J2EE.
Silverstream is certainly ahead of ND on self-promotion.
I was at their site recently. While there is a lot of emphasis on support
for J2EE, the fine print says that EJB will be supported as of version
3.0. The current version is 2.5.
-- Curt Springer, Team ND
>Because of its J2EE support, Sun recommends NAS 4.0 for new applications.
>
>Brendan
>TeamND
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janaki R G, Cnsl, SCS-MLSD
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 2:46 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Joel Parker Henderson'
> Cc:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ND] Demise of Netdynamics
>
> What about Silver Stream Where does it stand?
>
> ganesh
>
> > ----------
> > From: Joel Parker Henderson
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 5:10 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ND] Demise of Netdynamics
> >
> >
> > > Why would I want to continue another minute developing
>web products
> > using
> > > Netdynamics?
> >
> > Several reasons.
> >
> > NetDynamics is the fastest, most robust Java application
>server ever
> > built. Frankly, if you can find anything out there as good
>as
> > NetDynamics right now, switch to it and let me know what
>it is.
> >
> > > I have just recommended termination of further
>development on our
> > project
> > > using Netdynamics because the risks are too great that
>we would have to
> > > rewrite the entire project with some future, unproven
>iPlanet tool. Our
> >
> > For the future, NetDynamics and Kiva will be merged and
>named the
> > Sun/Netscape iPlanet Application Server. This is all very
>well proven
> > technology-- Kiva is blazingly fast and scalable at
>non-Java code, and
> > NetDynamics is blazingly fast and scalabe at pure Java
>code, so you will
> > get the best of both worlds. I want to be very clear that
>there is no
> > "miracle code" coming out of nowhere-- both servers have
>been used
> > thoroughly by the largest customers in the world, in
>mission-critical
> > environments, for years.
> >
> > Yes, there will be issues of combining code, various event
>models, J2EE
> > support, and so on. These are challenges for us at Sun,
>and may take
> > us some time to iron out, but we absolutely will not put
>out a bad or
> > defective product. Try putting yourself in our shoes: we
>are combining our
> > two largest most important groups of customers, so we are
>going to be
> > very, very careful about delivering a top-notch new
>server.
> >
> > We have two solid engineering teams that have worked
>together for years,
> > and everyone is staying on board. Sun is absolutely
>committed to building
> > the new Application Server, and Sun has the strength to
>make it the de
> > facto industry standard.
> >
> > For comparison, companies like WebLogic have very good app
>servers,
> > and may be a bit ahead of us on future technologies like
>J2EE.
> > If J2EE is crucially important to you right now, you may
>want to
> > look at WebLogic. However, I would never bet my business
>on BEA
> > the WebLogic parent company, and I would question BEA
>salespeople
> > very carefully on why all BEA/WebLogic employees are
>quitting.
> >
> > > our business plan can not afford this expense and
>uncertainty.
> > > Are we making the wrong business and technical decision?
>
> >
> > I think it would be wise to asses the real risks. First,
>ND5 will continue
> > to be supported for years, so your existing code will
>continue to work.
> >
> > Next, Sun will combine ND and Kiva, both of which are
>proven app servers,
> > built by proven engineering teams. There is some risk that
>it will take us
> > a little longer to do it carefully and prudently, so if
>you need to be on
> > the absolute bleeding edge, you may want to look at other
>products.
> >
> > Finally, the worst-case risk for you is that Sun will
>totally screw things
> > up, and the iPlanet appserver will be a disaster. Even if
>this happens,
> > you will still be using Java, still be building portable
>business logic
> > objects, still be migrating toward JavaBeans, EJB,
>Servlets, JSP, and the
> > rest of J2EE.
> >
> > In case it's relevant, I have evaluated the iPlanet source
>code and the
> > engineers, and I am extremely impressed with iPlanet-- and
>I don't say
> > that lightly. I'm a tech guy, not a marketing guy, so I
>can say with
> > confidence that the iPlanet team is very skilled and has
>solid software.
> >
> > Do keep emailing me with questions, comments, etc.
> > and I'll be sure that people at the Alliance see them.
> > Also, talk to your sales reps and let them know how you
>feel,
> > and that you need more information about the future of ND.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joel Henderson
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
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